2014 Bahrain Grand Prix

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zonk wrote:
ecapox wrote:

I posted this earlier.
ecapox wrote:https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3760/136 ... fdde_o.jpg

That is the moment of impact. Notice both the front and rear are lifting off the ground at the same time. Eventually the rear mounts Maldonado's tire, but the initial impact was the small tusk under the chassis.
just check the video in this link:
http://motorsportstalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... lip-video/

No damage on Guitierrez sidepod
No damage on Maldonado nose only the front left endplate
No.

NBC doesn't show the good point of view shot that SKY and RTL showed during the race. I think the screenshot that was posted by the other user was that p.o.v. shot, no doubt the initial hit from the nose caused the car to lift up a bit then the hit from the tires made the roll-over possible.

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lets agree to disagree

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Wasn't the race talk supposed to be in the chat during the race?

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iotar__ wrote: Come on, he had pace and don't forget strategy.
I didn't know that beating one driver (plus your team-mate) in ridiculously dominant car is a superhuman achievement that takes some extraordinary effort - no, it was slightly better start and avoiding getting overtaken on couple of occasions. Rosberg is not a world beater wheel-to-wheel and was the more careful one. They can slap each other on the backs and amplify duel with some colourful language but that's what it was. IMO several other drivers would have coped with Hamilton grit or no grit.

It's probably partly expectation bias but I'm jumping on Red Bull has bestest traction/high speed bandwagon - the way Ricciardo got past Raikkonen :o .
Well i don't know about you, but after the safety car, with 11 laps to drive the same car with the other car having tyres 0.5s a lap faster, i thought the race was over right there. I've been watching F1 for a while now, and there's no way i would expect Hamilton to even have a chance of winning. 11 laps was just too much for a car to defend another 0.5s faster especially on a broad track with 2 drs zones.
If that wasn't super, i don't know what is. These events happen in F1, but they are very rare. I don't think any driver on the grid right now who hasn't been driving for at least ten years should even be mentioned as being capable of producing what happened today.
It wasn't a matter of attacking, it was a matter of the defensive tactics and balls to the wall driving. Rosberg's attacks weren't weak at all. I don't think he could have done it any different.
You may be confused with comparing two different cars with the leader on worn out tyres, which makes it easier to overtake. Typical midfield pirelli tyre cliff edge stuff. (nothing like the v10 days where guys are sprinting the last 20 laps on grippy tyres; not holding back on anything)
Today both cars had competitive tyres. Both cars were the same, engines turned up. None was suffering with drivability. It was simply down to one having a 0.5s advantage. And you have to look back to refueling days and pre pirelli before you get those nice situations where two drivers go head to head with fit machinery. No cliff edge tyres, no car advantage. Just lap times.

The most recent i can remember is the shumacher Hamilton battle in china. or the Webber, Alosno Hamilton in nurburg ring, epic stuff.
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turbof1 wrote:
Minutes ago, mnmracer came in. We had to temporary put him into what is called a "banning coma".
You're saying you guys banned mnm ? For what exactly ? As far as i'm concerned, there was no profanity or such in his messages. He likes Vettel, I don't (nor do i disdain him), but everyone should be allowed to express their views as long as no profanity or name calling is involved. He was just making his point... I feel the moderation should be more flexible in some situations. If i missed something, i apologize in advance.
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iotar__ wrote:
ringo wrote: The funny thing is.. i don't think that's the case. Rosberg had the better car this weekend. And if Lewis wants to avoid having those barnstomer battles he needs to get on top of what Rosberg did this weekened.
Hamilton won on grit, intelligence, and raw skills this weekend. He didn't win on pace. And on the other side of the coin Nico should be worried as well. Because if you are faster than you teammate over a weekend car wise, and even tyre wise for the last stint, what the heck do you do when he gets everything right? How do you fight back for what 17 races?!!
Come on, he had pace and don't forget strategy.
I didn't know that beating one driver (plus your team-mate) in ridiculously dominant car is a superhuman achievement that takes some extraordinary effort - no, it was slightly better start and avoiding getting overtaken on couple of occasions. Rosberg is not a world beater wheel-to-wheel and was the more careful one. They can slap each other on the backs and amplify duel with some colourful language but that's what it was. IMO several other drivers would have coped with Hamilton grit or no grit.

It's probably partly expectation bias but I'm jumping on Red Bull has bestest traction/high speed bandwagon - the way Ricciardo got past Raikkonen :o .
well alonso couldn't cope with him when he was a rookie and he was double world champion ...and alonso is reckoned to be pretty good

frankly I don't think it mattered which mercedes driver had which tyres after the restart , were it the other way round hamilton would have been past like a dose of salts and made it stick with that advantage , then cruised to the finish without abusing his tyres as rosberg did ; note that rosberg went for a different strategy to hamilton as he knew he couldn't beat him on the same one ...give him his due he seemed to have set his car up better for the race
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Shrieker wrote:
turbof1 wrote:
Minutes ago, mnmracer came in. We had to temporary put him into what is called a "banning coma".
You're saying you guys banned mnm ? For what exactly ? As far as i'm concerned, there was no profanity or such in his messages. He likes Vettel, I don't (nor do i disdain him), but everyone should be allowed to express their views as long as no profanity or name calling is involved. He was just making his point... I feel the moderation should be more flexible in some situations. If i missed something, i apologize in advance.

You missed it then, because he had at least 1 post with profanity in it.
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Shrieker wrote:
turbof1 wrote:
Minutes ago, mnmracer came in. We had to temporary put him into what is called a "banning coma".
You're saying you guys banned mnm ?
I think it'll be more like a drive-through or a 10 sec stop-and-go rather than a full revocation of his license (how's that for staying on topic? :D )
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Maelstrom wrote:
Arterius wrote:Overall this was the best dry race we have seen in a very long time. There was a lot of action up and down the field.

Though, in my opinion, I think that Hamilton's defense was dirty and disrespectful to his team mate. He showed a lot more sense and respect to Button in his Mclaren days.
The chopping across Nico was extremely stupid and he could have destroyed a certain 1-2 finish for the team by taking Nico's front wing off and puncturing his rear tire leaving them both an entire lap to limp home to replace the wing and tire on the respective cars.
I don't think Nico had any problem with it seeing how they greeted each other after the race... there didn't seem to be any hard feelings. Also I doubt Nico wanted Hamilton to go easy on him... that would probably upset him more. The last ten laps were two drivers at the peak of their careers, in equally good cars, going at it hammer and tongs. I would have rather seen them both crash out than not see that quality of racing.
It was great to see how they were with each other after the race and all seemed fine till the podium interview. Too me at least Nico seemed a bit icy in his comments. Might just be a bit of a show to play up the rivalry for the media...
It was a good tough battle that we haven't seen for a while. I just think that Hamilton shouldn't have pushed Nico beyond the track limits when he was right next to him. The Force India boys had a good hard battle and managed to keep it inside the track limits.

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I was quite surprised when (if I remember correctly) Ted Kravitz made this same comparison during the post race report

what do you think is the worst scenario when a wheel comes off of a car traveling at 80km/h in an area where there are multiple people around that may only have a helmet on their head for protection?

and then compare it to a racing incident on a track with today's passive safety they have in those cars

I don't really agree with the penalty that DR and the team received for that loose nut, I think the team had to suffer much more than a driver did, but in my mind, those 2 are nowhere near to be compared with one another, flying wheel can kill a person or two right there on the pit lane, turn couple more into cripples for life, enough to google around for pit lane incidents to see how dangerous that area of the track is in busy moments during a race...

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ringo wrote:To be fair to maldonado it was a racing indicent upon initial contact, however maldonado was wrong where he didn't pull in his car. He just let it runout into estaban. I think this is frustration of being hit. It's like throwing down a golf club or tennis racket. In this case he just let the steering go and the car rolls outwart into the sauber.
Looking at the accident, it's the wheels that made contact.The cars have more torque this year, so it's easier for the rear tyre to climb up the tyre of another car.
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Supporting: Ham/Alo/Kimi/Ros/Seb/Hulk/Ric/Mag

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Just_a_fan wrote: I think it'll be more like a drive-through or a 10 sec stop-and-go rather than a full revocation of his license (how's that for staying on topic? :D )
Yep, to the point:
This is hilarious and sad in so many ways...
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Emerson.F wrote: And Fred was crazy happy too cross the line before Kimi.
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wow :wtf: :shock:

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Want to say a word about Vettel: When he said over the radio he was having problems, i genuinely thought he was having problems. It didn't take Dan much to overtake him, and when Dan carried on with his progress overtaking people, Seb just remained where he was. Maybe it could be something about not being able to harvest as efficiently -as a fellow member has pointed out-, but i highly doubt it.
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