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Further correction to the translationMr. Fahrenheit wrote:Tiny correction to translation. Subtle but gives more context to the "more on point 5" section.extrater wrote:Above text translated by Google translator:@irangX-RAY
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1. The short muzzle enhance the cleaning of the lower air flow.
2. The push-rod front suspension.
3. The passenger compartment is advanced compared to 2015 of about 7 cm.
4. The substantial reduction of the rear section of the side panels.
5. Unchanged pace.
6. The total length is reduced by about 7 cm: it is evident from the position of the wing trailing edge.
More on point 5: STEP
Is practically identical to the previous (5): change it would not make sense because of the weight distribution determined by Regulation (front and rear 45.5 54.5). The pitch is not shortened due to the inclination towards the rear of the arms of the suspension triangles. You notice the rear arm of the upper triangle strongly tilted backwards, in direct comparison with that of the SF15-T.
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5. Unchanged wheelbase.
Actually, it's 4 element on the inside and 6 or 7 on the outside. Speaking about frontal downforce, that is probably the easiest part. The issue here is how you can create a stable aero platform and a way to maximize downforce across the complete car, through the front wing, without sacrificing too much front downforce.Cloud981 wrote:Even if i'm not quite good at aerodynamic like in mechanic,i just can't shake off feeling that Ferrari's front wing is too simplistic with way less curves in comparison to rivals with similar philosophies in building a pointy front end car. This approach look way too conservative,especially now when they are build a car with massive rear downforce. Of course i don't know the data from Ferrari wind tunel so i'm probably wrong,but just by the look at Red Bull front wing (5 main elements comparing to Ferrari's 3) makes me wonder how much more downforce does it produces.
http://www.thelocals.xyz/wp-content/upl ... 00x480.jpg
http://abload.de/img/red-bull-rb12-2016-fo8ouh3.jpg
I agree with you, and as I said, I'm probably wrong, this is just my perception, but I am someone who does not really know very well the principles of aerodynamics (mechanical engineer). To summarize, to make something work the way you want, you have to make him a good foundation, I agree. But when you build a radical chassis, which you know it works and all the data say it does,then why stop there, why not evolve other elements and make a radical new package? As a matter of fact,adding more elements does make something more complex but not necessary better.turbof1 wrote:Actually, it's 4 element on the inside and 6 or 7 on the outside. Speaking about frontal downforce, that is probably the easiest part. The issue here is how you can create a stable aero platform and a way to maximize downforce across the complete car, through the front wing, without sacrificing too much front downforce.Cloud981 wrote:Even if i'm not quite good at aerodynamic like in mechanic,i just can't shake off feeling that Ferrari's front wing is too simplistic with way less curves in comparison to rivals with similar philosophies in building a pointy front end car. This approach look way too conservative,especially now when they are build a car with massive rear downforce. Of course i don't know the data from Ferrari wind tunel so i'm probably wrong,but just by the look at Red Bull front wing (5 main elements comparing to Ferrari's 3) makes me wonder how much more downforce does it produces.
http://www.thelocals.xyz/wp-content/upl ... 00x480.jpg
http://abload.de/img/red-bull-rb12-2016-fo8ouh3.jpg
That being said: the front wing has evolved quite a lot in the last season. You'll notice it is converging towards what Mercedes and Red Bull use. Simplistic is not the correct term here: it is probably just more conservative. Adding more elements does not necessary make something more complex or better.
I wish they would bring new front of the car as it was rumored, but I think It will end up as usual, runnig this setup for whole seasson.Cloud981 wrote:Why i'm sayin all this is the following. Conclusion from first part of tests was that car understeers,because of disbalance between front and rear end (to much downforce rear comparing to front) and that doesn't contribute nor Vettel nor Raikkonen driving style (Alonso on contrary would prefere this probably). In the last couple of days they partially manage to solve this through different front suspension setups I assume,but only true way to add much more downforce is complexity and configuration of the front wing.
That's not always the case. weight distribution (yes, fixed between rear and front, but you can still get it wrong), suspension or imbalance inbetween heating front and rear tyres can be at the base of understeer too.Cloud981 wrote:Why i'm sayin all this is the following. Conclusion from first part of tests was that car understeers,because of disbalance between front and rear end (to much downforce rear comparing to front) and that doesn't contribute nor Vettel nor Raikkonen driving style (Alonso on contrary would prefere this probably). In the last couple of days they partially manage to solve this through different front suspension setups I assume,but only true way to add much more downforce is complexity and configuration of the front wing.
Good point but look at main element on Ferrari, it is much longer than one on RedBull. That best way to generate down force, to have clean long surface just like floor at the rear.Cloud981 wrote:Even if i'm not quite good at aerodynamic like in mechanic,i just can't shake off feeling that Ferrari's front wing is too simplistic with way less curves in comparison to rivals with similar philosophies in building a pointy front end car. This approach look way too conservative,especially now when they are build a car with massive rear downforce. Of course i don't know the data from Ferrari wind tunel so i'm probably wrong,but just by the look at Red Bull front wing (5 main elements comparing to Ferrari's 3) makes me wonder how much more downforce does it produces.
http://www.thelocals.xyz/wp-content/upl ... 00x480.jpg
http://abload.de/img/red-bull-rb12-2016-fo8ouh3.jpg
Pictures are taken from different angles!!! Nevermind,back to topic. That is one way to define it and i'm not saying it's wrong but when i look at F1 front wing I imagine how the air flows beneath,over,trough and around them,how it transfers to tires,sidepods,rear... and my imagination sadly says it flows much better around Red Bull wing!!!Fer.Fan wrote:Good point but look at main element on Ferrari, it is much longer than one on RedBull. That best way to generate down force, to have clean long surface just like floor at the rear.Cloud981 wrote:Even if i'm not quite good at aerodynamic like in mechanic,i just can't shake off feeling that Ferrari's front wing is too simplistic with way less curves in comparison to rivals with similar philosophies in building a pointy front end car. This approach look way too conservative,especially now when they are build a car with massive rear downforce. Of course i don't know the data from Ferrari wind tunel so i'm probably wrong,but just by the look at Red Bull front wing (5 main elements comparing to Ferrari's 3) makes me wonder how much more downforce does it produces.
http://www.thelocals.xyz/wp-content/upl ... 00x480.jpg
http://abload.de/img/red-bull-rb12-2016-fo8ouh3.jpg
A very similar wing last year spanked the mentioned Red bull and beat Mercedes 3 times....another point to remember is that Ferrari has a blown front axle .. Mercedes does not which explains why the Mercedes front wing has a lot more going with it.Cloud981 wrote:Pictures are taken from different angles!!! Nevermind,back to topic. That is one way to define it and i'm not saying it's wrong but when i look at F1 front wing I imagine how the air flows beneath,over,trough and around them,how it transfers to tires,sidepods,rear... and my imagination sadly says it flows much better around Red Bull wing!!!Fer.Fan wrote:Good point but look at main element on Ferrari, it is much longer than one on RedBull. That best way to generate down force, to have clean long surface just like floor at the rear.Cloud981 wrote:Even if i'm not quite good at aerodynamic like in mechanic,i just can't shake off feeling that Ferrari's front wing is too simplistic with way less curves in comparison to rivals with similar philosophies in building a pointy front end car. This approach look way too conservative,especially now when they are build a car with massive rear downforce. Of course i don't know the data from Ferrari wind tunel so i'm probably wrong,but just by the look at Red Bull front wing (5 main elements comparing to Ferrari's 3) makes me wonder how much more downforce does it produces.
http://www.thelocals.xyz/wp-content/upl ... 00x480.jpg
http://abload.de/img/red-bull-rb12-2016-fo8ouh3.jpg
That support pillar looks way too thick through the exhaust pipe for just support purposes :S Surely the pipe itself would be able to support most of the weight without bending? Could they be harvesting air a bit fuhrer up the pillar and channeling it somewhere?GoranF1 wrote:https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdMV79KWIAAAMbj.jpg