2023 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Xyz22]

Well in hindsight it would've been a championship marred in controversy had the chassis been decent

Couldn't care less. Would have made the following embarrassing years worth it at least

Also a lot of people forget that Honda was hit hard as well with the engine TDs. Their engine in 2020 was not as good as it was in 2019 IIRC.

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Well in hindsight it would've been a championship marred in controversy had the chassis been decent

Couldn't care less. Would have made the following embarrassing years worth it at least

Also a lot of people forget that Honda was hit hard as well with the engine TDs. Their engine in 2020 was not as good as it was in 2019 IIRC.

Fair enough

Correct there was a TD issued on the software logic side of energy recovery that hurt Honda badly between Australia 2020 (cancelled) and the first race Austria 2020. They would've still had issues with reliability but the engine would've been significantly better

[Xyz22]

Well in hindsight it would've been a championship marred in controversy had the chassis been decent

Couldn't care less. Would have made the following embarrassing years worth it at least

Also a lot of people forget that Honda was hit hard as well with the engine TDs. Their engine in 2020 was not as good as it was in 2019 IIRC.

Fair enough

Correct there was a TD issued on the software logic side of energy recovery that hurt Honda badly between Australia 2020 (cancelled) and the first race Austria 2020. They would've still had issues with reliability but the engine would've been significantly better

Was it just on the "electric" side? Because i remember a graph (probably directly from Honda) that highlighted how much power they lost from 2019 to 2020.

I can only find the graph up to 2019 online but i was sure someone published the same graph up to 2021.

[mzso]

Guess who won't get the car right for the new tyres, just like in 2019...

Anyway it's clear they are trying to create a new 2021 by introducing few changes compared to 2024. They hope that RB will somehow --- up to have a competitive season.

I think we heard this around 3-4 times already... It never gets any better. But the FIA gave them tire supply with an identically atrocious sham-tender to the last for even more years.

[TFSA]

I think we heard this around 3-4 times already... It never gets any better. But the FIA gave them tire supply with an identically atrocious sham-tender to the last for even more years.

It's harder than it looks. Pirelli is constrained by budgets first and foremost (they're not exactly getting paid billions for this), and by the fact that it's really hard to do tyre testing when you're also facing problems with teams potentially trying to use it to their advantage (I'm sure we all remember tyre-gate 2013).

The problem is that degradation always comes before wear. If Pirelli could manage to design tyres that wear out, rather than degrade, then we would be a big step towards the desired goal. But it seems to me it's a rather insurmountable challenge, considering that the tracks and the conditions vary so much, and the fact that we're dealing with cars that are pushing a lot of horsepower and downforce.

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Rumours are the Brazil engine for Leclerc has been saved and it was gearbox at fault

[Tomsky]

[mzso]

The problem is that degradation always comes before wear. If Pirelli could manage to design tyres that wear out, rather than degrade, then we would be a big step towards the desired goal. But it seems to me it's a rather insurmountable challenge, considering that the tracks and the conditions vary so much, and the fact that we're dealing with cars that are pushing a lot of horsepower and downforce.

Insurmountable for Pirelli. I strongly suspect Michelin, Bridgestone and the sort would solve it.

[TFSA]

Insurmountable for Pirelli. I strongly suspect Michelin, Bridgestone and the sort would solve it.

And what exactly is that based on? They're not gonna get a bigger budget, and they haven't been designing tires for F1 for over a decade.

I hate to tell you this, but 'gut feeling' isn't a very convincing argument

[Zynerji]

Insurmountable for Pirelli. I strongly suspect Michelin, Bridgestone and the sort would solve it.

And what exactly is that based on? They're not gonna get a bigger budget, and they haven't been designing tires for F1 for over a decade.

I hate to tell you this, but 'gut feeling' isn't a very convincing argument

I agree with MZSO. I feel Michelin could do it for sure as they already do high downforce 18in tyres for Lemans.

[AR3-GP]

Insurmountable for Pirelli. I strongly suspect Michelin, Bridgestone and the sort would solve it.

And what exactly is that based on? They're not gonna get a bigger budget, and they haven't been designing tires for F1 for over a decade.

I hate to tell you this, but 'gut feeling' isn't a very convincing argument

I agree with MZSO. I feel Michelin could do it for sure as they already do high downforce 18in tyres for Lemans.

Not defending Pirelli, but current LMP cars do not have anywhere near the downforce of F1 cars. Even the unrestricted Porsche 919 EVO with the side skirts and DRS was slower than the Merc W11 in the corners by quite a bit.

[Zynerji]

And what exactly is that based on? They're not gonna get a bigger budget, and they haven't been designing tires for F1 for over a decade.

I hate to tell you this, but 'gut feeling' isn't a very convincing argument

I agree with MZSO. I feel Michelin could do it for sure as they already do high downforce 18in tyres for Lemans.

Not defending Pirelli, but current LMP cars do not have anywhere near the downforce of F1 cars. Even the unrestricted Porsche 919 EVO with the side skirts and DRS was slower than the Merc W11 in the corners by quite a bit.

Meh. It's Pirelli for now. So whatever

[Sphere3758]

Would it make sense for Ferrari to just take a engine penalty for Lec, start from the back, run the engine at full blast given the cool temperatures and see what happens ?

I can see him making a lot of DRS passes and get all the way to the top 5 with this

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Would it make sense for Ferrari to just take a engine penalty for Lec, start from the back, run the engine at full blast given the cool temperatures and see what happens ?

I can see him making a lot of DRS passes and get all the way to the top 5 with this

Or they can not take a penalty and potentially win the race...

[AR3-GP]

I see a pretty straight forward front row lockout for Ferrari in Vegas and if tire deg isn't too bad, then a straight forward win. They simply have a more effective low downforce package than RB. We saw that in Monza already.