Sebastian Vettel has won the Italian GP after taking the lead on lap 3 of the race. The World Champion was never threatened later on and controlled the remainder of the race. Jenson Button finished in second place while Fernando Alonso pleased the crowd with third place.
Not that good traction i have to say. Even compared to Mercedes.
First chicane, Schumi vs Hammy.
Hamilton did the right thing and took a wider exit-line while schumi had to defend so his radius out of the last corner was arguably smaller.
And still Hamilton had serious problems hanging on out of chicane.
Especially the first few meters Schumi just left him.
I thought the Merc had horrible traction out of slow turns.
HampusA wrote:Hamilton did the right thing and took a wider exit-line while schumi had to defend so his radius out of the last corner was arguably smaller.
And still Hamilton had serious problems hanging on out of chicane.
Especially the first few meters Schumi just left him.
Noticed that too. For some reason Alonso and Hamilton had problems exiting that turn. Schuey and Button were much faster OTOH. Maybe Alonso and Hamilton tried to save KERS for the other parts of the track?
mx_tifosi wrote:Can someone explain why Hamilton is wearing these ridiculous overalls with the wrong last name on them?
Apparantly it's a tribute to past Mclaren drivers......
Generally I don't care about what people say. I have to be clear with myself. When everything goes well, people celebrate you, when you make mistakes people criticize you.
Sebastian Vettel
Yep I noticed that as well. Especially Hamilton took the inner curb in T2 a bit too much so his rear was very unstable when he wanted to go an throttle.
@Mclaren suits: No these suits are creations from fans and those are weared on saturday.
mx_tifosi wrote:Can someone explain why Hamilton is wearing these ridiculous overalls with the wrong last name on them?
Apparantly it's a tribute to past Mclaren drivers......
raymondu999 wrote:Because this year McLarens have worn ridiculous overalls at every race/qualifying session? Both drivers have got the same theme of all the McLaren drivers' names. Brundle and Coulthard are somewhere to be found there too. Funnily enough I think the big "name" on Jenson's back is "Prost" as you see Hamilton in the photo with "Senna" across his back.
The McLarens change overalls as often as Vettel changes helmets!
timbo wrote:Noticed that too. For some reason Alonso and Hamilton had problems exiting that turn. Schuey and Button were much faster OTOH. Maybe Alonso and Hamilton tried to save KERS for the other parts of the track?
I think it has to do with the turn, it might be that because it´s so slow you would gain more time by taking a smaller radius but then being able to almost plant it instantly out of the turn while Hamilton had to feather the throttle as he´s not going straight.
Schumacher was ahead so the logical thing is that he will be able to get on the gas earlier but i think it´s actually faster the line Schumi took.
Miss the first one, slow down and hug the inside, get the car pointed in the right direction and smash it.
Instead of Hamilton who positioned himself to the right then have to cruise through T2 and then get on it.
I have no idea but it just seemed Schumi had excellent traction out of that turn.
raymondu999 wrote:The McLaren has historically been a mechanically fantastic car. Great traction, braking, slow speed turn in, kerb riding, etc. As we're seeing this year too
are you serious here or sarcastic?
Finishing races is important, but racing is more important.
Mandrake wrote:I found the race pretty entertaining. Obviously not at the front where Vettel just cruised away after passing Fernando. By the way, no one has commented on how Alonso "pushed" Vettel onto the grass. I didn't see it as a problem, but I also didn't find the MSC HAM incident where MSC closed the door with Lewis on the inside worthy to mention.
I hoped for the MGP to be better on the hards, I'd love to see MSC really be able to fight to the end.
I also did not think that MSC was really bending the rules. He covered the inside line and swept back to the racing line under braking. He was not blocking off Lewis as Lewis never was anywhere near being able to stick the nose inside. In every occasion he was able to, Michael left him space.Looking forward to the remainder of the races, and seriously hope that MGP will build a proper car for next season!
I agree with this post in its entirety. Here is the Vettel pass on Alonso. Fred pushed him outside but left enough room. IMO Vettel just didn't trust that he would so he went a little wider than he needed to.(That's not a knock on Vettel) Fair play I say
As for the part I emboldened, that is the way I saw it as well. I may have missed a move or two because I was watching Timing on my pc and the race in HD on TV, except for the commercials then I would watch the stream on my pc, so I know I didn't see every single move.
Vettel later said that Alonso probably didn't even know that he's beneath him. So ALO just drove on his line without defending anything and then saw VET ...
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Intego wrote:Vettel later said that Alonso probably didn't even know that he's beneath him. So ALO just drove on his line without defending anything and then saw VET ...
Vettel still drove off the track without needing to, so I might be missing your point. My comment was in regard to other's assertions that Alonso forced him off the track which the video clearly shows he did not.
raymondu999 wrote:The McLaren has historically been a mechanically fantastic car. Great traction, braking, slow speed turn in, kerb riding, etc. As we're seeing this year too
are you serious here or sarcastic?
Absolutely serious. Especially back in the pre-09 days. Remember the MP4-24? Aerodynamically a dog; but when it met a slow corner it became a rottweiler
raymondu999 wrote:Because this year McLarens have worn ridiculous overalls at every race/qualifying session? Both drivers have got the same theme of all the McLaren drivers' names. Brundle and Coulthard are somewhere to be found there too. Funnily enough I think the big "name" on Jenson's back is "Prost" as you see Hamilton in the photo with "Senna" across his back.
The McLarens change overalls as often as Vettel changes helmets!
nice little summary from F- Grandprix.com of teh LH, SCHUMI, BUTTON racing.....
There were times when it appeared that Michael had a somewhat imaginative interpretation of the one-move rule and it prompted a warning to the team from race control. Twice, Ross Brawn came on the radio to his man, reminding him to leave racing room at Ascari, which was the end of the first DRS zone, and to be aware of one move.
It's at times like this that you wonder whether Hamilton, as exciting to watch as he undoubtedly is, might apply a fraction more grey matter.
You could understand the frustration. At Monza, a Mercedes without DRS was able to remain clear of a McLaren with its rear wing fully open. Lewis was close into Turn 1 a couple of times, and again at Ascari, but not close enough.
Having failed to get by Schumacher for 13 laps, Lewis had a look down the inside of the Mercedes going into Curva Grande, which was never on. Unsurprisingly, Michael needed no second invitation to usher the McLaren towards the grass.
In the words of the following Button, who had the best seat in the house, "I think Lewis went for a gap with Michael that wasn't there, and I got a run on him."
Lewis had to momentarily back out of it, Jenson hit his KERS button and zapped by. He then got a tremendous exit from the second Lesmo and immediately did to Schumacher what Hamilton had been unable to.
"I got him down the outside into Ascari which was pretty brave as Michael doesn't give much room," Jenson beamed. "I don't know how close we were. I didn't look in the mirror and I pretty much closed my eyes after I turned in. Probably one of my best passes. Very happy with that!"
Although self-inflicted, Hamilton must have been seething. The pit stops were imminent, which would surely have afforded him a decent chance to get rid of the Mercedes if only he'd waited. Now though, he'd lost track position to his team mate and would have to wait for Jenson to stop.
Schumacher could feel his rear tyres going off and as soon as he lost the place to Button, pitted at the end of that 16th lap. Jenson responded next time around and Lewis came in the lap after that. Jenson's in-lap was a good one and he managed to get back out still ahead of Schumacher while Hamilton, predictably, emerged behind Michael once again.
The same game recommenced, Schumacher admitted he was driving a car as wide as a truck. At half distance Lewis finally made it by on the run to Ascari.
It looked almost as if Michael had had enough, that he didn't want to have to drive like that for the rest of the afternoon. It had been a spirited enough defence for a man of 42 who has been around F1 for 20 years! Perhaps it had wearied him?
Generally I don't care about what people say. I have to be clear with myself. When everything goes well, people celebrate you, when you make mistakes people criticize you.
Sebastian Vettel
raymondu999 wrote:Remember the MP4-24? Aerodynamically a dog; but when it met a slow corner it became a rottweiler
The only thing they managed to use in the 24 was KERS on certain circuits. As soon as they went to circuits where KERS didn't give a significant advantage it looked like the dog that it was.
