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The race today had 57 laps and Alonso finished 57 s behind. I think it is fair to say that the Ferrari is 1 s off the race pace. The true figure is probably a bit more as Massa finished 65s behind and he is a more average driver.TheRMVR wrote:I don't think they're a second off the pace. Certainly not race pace.....banibhusan wrote:It's the same car with the same problems. You can still expect them to be a second off the pace here.
I was talking about China in that quote. So you think Mercedes are also 1 second of the pace? And Sauber 1,5seconds a lap? Don't be ridiculous.WhiteBlue wrote:The race today had 57 laps and Alonso finished 57 s behind. I think it is fair to say that the Ferrari is 1 s off the race pace. The true figure is probably a bit more as Massa finished 65s behind and he is a more average driver.TheRMVR wrote:I don't think they're a second off the pace. Certainly not race pace.....banibhusan wrote:It's the same car with the same problems. You can still expect them to be a second off the pace here.
Why should it be difficult? The car's crap, yes, let's be brutally honest. If they know what's the core problem (almost all of this forum seems to be 100% sure of what it is, so Ferrari surely knows too), then they can adress this problem. By adressing it properly, I see not problem for them to make up ground.Gerhard Berger wrote:Yeh i think us fans are living on hope rather than expectation. It's difficult to make a big jump during the season. Probably, we will have to wait until 2013 or 13 until the changes that Fry has made (if they work) start paying dividends.
were can I find Fry saying "most of our methodology is faulty", please?WhiteBlue wrote: As Pat Fry revealed most of Ferrari's methodology is faulty and needs changing in that particular field.
I said methodology in that field[aerodynamics].elFranZ wrote: were can I find Fry saying "most of our methodology is faulty", please?
So here you go. It's aerodynamics and their methodology but not restricted to it according to Fry.We need to fundamentally be changing the methodologies that we use to select, design and manufacture so we are competitive long-term.
The exhaust is one of the more obvious changes that we've made, but that's quite a small part of the problem we've got. There's work on all fronts, not just work going into what we're taking to Barcelona, there's also a huge amount of work in just trying to change the fundamentals of what we do, so we can actually take a step forward and be competing with everyone else. The biggest performance differentiator is aerodynamics. We've got some issues there that we're trying to resolve. The areas you need to be working on is everything from the way you run the windtunnel, the accuracy of your windtunnel, the simulation that you use to decide what components to take forward... so we're not leaving any stone unturned.
We're actually trying to review and revise our methodologies through the whole process and that carries on into the design office for trying to get weight out of various parts, make other bits more durable. So there's work going on absolutely everywhere within the company, on the basic fundamental methodology as well as just trying to upgrade the car.
I don't think anybody is writing off Alonso completely. It is much too early for that. But currently Alonso needs every second or third race to be a wet lottery like Malaysia to compensate for Ferrari's weakness. How likely is that to happen? And how likely is it that Fry can do this tremendous job in time to save the season for Alonso and Ferrari?I'm not saying they will get their way for sure: I'm more on a wait and see approach. It's too early to judge them without appeal. Look at WDC standings: Alonso is 10 points back. How can you write him off, with 16 races left?
Domenicali would be asking for race wins if Ferrari were in a situation to generate a winning car. He is purposefully down talking the expectations for Barcelona.Now we must look to the future and make a step up in terms of quality which should allow us to fight for the podium and not just a points finish. That's what I have been asking our engineers for several weeks and by Barcelona, I expect to already see the results of the effort we are expending in every area.
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=11559&view=unread#unreadI think it's fair to say that the potential for Ferrari to improve is actually greater than a lot of their competitors, since they are lacking in some really fundamental areas. Given their lack of, for example, top speed and yet relatively decent race pace, it would be fair to assume that by fixing their seemingly flawed sidepod aerodynamics/drag they would stand to make pretty decent gains through top speed alone.Nothing stops Ferrari from improving in Spain. We would be quite dumb to think they were the only team that cannot improve. All teams are expected to improve. The question is how much they may compared to other teams.
Felipe needs to accept, that he is facing a very strong teammate. If not, that hurts him. He needs to assume a clear role rather than trying to take advantage -- you need to learn from Fernando, not challenge him. That (challenging) is the way to being destroyed by a teammate such as Alonso or Schumacher, who are real cannibals. Ferrari has a moral obligation to champion Alonso. He (Alonso) has a central role in the team, and he therefore participates in the important issues.
Sure. It's not realistic to expect us to jump from having the 5th fastest car to the fastest car (i.e. a gain of around 1 second) in the space of 3 weeks. Probably he hopes for a siginifcant step in Barcelona (podiums) and he's also mentioned another major update package for Montreal, if the ones for Barcelona work.WhiteBlue wrote:Fair enough. Btw this is what Domenicali said:
Domenicali would be asking for race wins if Ferrari were in a situation to generate a winning car. He is purposefully down talking the expectations for Barcelona.Now we must look to the future and make a step up in terms of quality which should allow us to fight for the podium and not just a points finish. That's what I have been asking our engineers for several weeks and by Barcelona, I expect to already see the results of the effort we are expending in every area.
