2014 Hungarian Grand Prix - Hungaroring

[dans79]

That's the third time Hamilton is breaking the rules: after chop in Bahrain, engine boost in Barcelona now ignoring team orders, hopefully those points were worth it. Next time it's going to be like in Austria but closer I'm not sure Mercedes would risk pitting Hamilton first to gain a place.

I love how you always leave out the fact that Nico started it in Bahrain by using engine modes he wasn't supposed to.

[AlexJ]

That is assuming that the team order would have negatively effected Hamilton. As I stated earlier Hamilton not moving over and giving Rosberg a go at Alonso cost the team a P2 and P3 with Hamilton being in P2. This would have been better for the team. They had a real shot at getting past Alonso if Hamilton had done as the team ordered.

Irrelevant.

Merc doesn't need the points, constructors is all but wrapped up.

Hamilton and Rosberg do need the points in their fight with each other, so let them race.

[Andres125sx]

About Mercedes Team orders, I agree drivers should obey because they work for his team and first goes team preferences, but....

1 Nico Rosberg 202
2 Lewis Hamilton -11
3 Daniel Ricciardo -71
4 Fernando Alonso -87


1 Mercedes 393
2 Red Bull Racing -174
3 Ferrari -251

Be serious, Mercedes providing team orders is ridiculous, they don´t need them at all. Hamilton and Rosberg could crash each other two consecutive races and his chances to win both WDC and WCC will be the same

If there have been a seasson where a team doesn´t need team orders, this is it. Similar to McLaren ´88. Do you imagine them asking Prost to let pass Senna or viceversa?

[siskue2005]

That's the third time Hamilton is breaking the rules: after chop in Bahrain, engine boost in Barcelona now ignoring team orders, hopefully those points were worth it. Next time it's going to be like in Austria but closer I'm not sure Mercedes would risk pitting Hamilton first to gain a place.

I love how you always leave out the fact that Nico started it in Bahrain by using engine modes he wasn't supposed to.

Please don't feed the trolls [-o<

[siskue2005]

About Mercedes Team orders, I agree drivers should obey because they work for his team and first goes team preferences, but....

1 Nico Rosberg 202
2 Lewis Hamilton -11
3 Daniel Ricciardo -71
4 Fernando Alonso -87


1 Mercedes 393
2 Red Bull Racing -174
3 Ferrari -251

Be serious, Mercedes providing team orders is ridiculous, they don´t need them at all. Hamilton and Rosberg could crash each other two consecutive races and his chances to win both WDC and WCC will be the same

If there have been a seasson where a team doesn´t need team orders, this is it. Similar to McLaren ´88. Do you imagine them asking Prost to let pass Senna or viceversa?

Exactly =D>

[RZS10]

That is assuming that the team order would have negatively effected Hamilton. As I stated earlier Hamilton not moving over and giving Rosberg a go at Alonso cost the team a P2 and P3 with Hamilton being in P2. This would have been better for the team. They had a real shot at getting past Alonso if Hamilton had done as the team ordered.

How would Hamilton end up on P2 and Rosberg on P3 after that?

Rosberg gained more than 20 seconds in 12 laps and almost overtook Hamilton even with traffic at the beginning of the stint.
Since Hamilton was stuck behind Alonso till the end of the race it is safe to assume he would have stayed behind anyways in those two scenarios

1) Had Rosberg managed to overtake Alonso he could have gained a lot of time, coming out of the pits much closer to Alonso/Hamilton being at their tails way earlier in the race and most certainly overtaking both of them, Rosberg would not have hesitated to attack Hamilton, that's for sure ...

2) Rosberg does not overtake Alonso, this gives him an advantage of 3 seconds maybe:
a) he does not have traffic, catches up early and overtakes both
b) he comes out of the pits and has traffic, overtakes and carries this 3 second advantage till the end of the race, meaning he has one more lap to attack Hamilton and Alonso, which he ofc does.

So we have RIC - ROS - ALO - HAM in both scenarios, Hamilton loses massivly in the WDC, MGP gains 3 lousy points in the WCC that they've practically won already

[astracrazy]

Merc's obsession with separating their drivers with weird results: two different strategies, neither really worked but at least they weren't together for a long time. That's the third time Hamilton is breaking the rules: after chop in Bahrain, engine boost in Barcelona now ignoring team orders, hopefully those points were worth it. Next time it's going to be like in Austria but closer I'm not sure Mercedes would risk pitting Hamilton first to gain a place.

I didn't care about team orders today neither looked sharp but saying you're "very shocked" is laughable. You won your championship after team was telling your team-mate on different strategy to get out of the way. Stop posing as innocent pure racer and admit your team lost second place.

And your at it again.....

[SiLo]

Merc's obsession with separating their drivers with weird results: two different strategies, neither really worked but at least they weren't together for a long time. That's the third time Hamilton is breaking the rules: after chop in Bahrain, engine boost in Barcelona now ignoring team orders, hopefully those points were worth it. Next time it's going to be like in Austria but closer I'm not sure Mercedes would risk pitting Hamilton first to gain a place.

I didn't care about team orders today neither looked sharp but saying you're "very shocked" is laughable. You won your championship after team was telling your team-mate on different strategy to get out of the way. Stop posing as innocent pure racer and admit your team lost second place.

Pretty sure almost every post you've written has in someway attacked Hamilton. Don't mind stopping do you? We already know you don't like him.

[SectorOne]

That is assuming that the team order would have negatively effected Hamilton. As I stated earlier Hamilton not moving over and giving Rosberg a go at Alonso cost the team a P2 and P3 with Hamilton being in P2. This would have been better for the team. They had a real shot at getting past Alonso if Hamilton had done as the team ordered.

It´s not an assumption. If Hamilton had let Rosberg get past he would have been caught up by Rosberg several laps earlier.
He could not hold a slower Red Bull behind him so there´s no chance in hell he´s keeping Rosberg behind him on fresh tires.

The only reason Rosberg finished behind Hamilton today was that the laps ran out.
And the only way to get past Alonso would have been to pit Hamilton at the same time as Rosberg as a response.

[Shrieker]

The team order was a mistake by the team.

So f*****g what? It still does not give the driver the right to ignore the team order.

They are fighting for the title. Wake up. None of them would've yielded the position to the other when faced with a similar situation.

[f1-neil]

Is there any explanation anywhere to explain in the very slightest why they thought the prime tyre was the good one to go onto?

Lewis could have done 2 stops for softs and still finished where he was, every watching fan know it was an incorrect choice, the only ones who didn't was Williams

[gray41]

Could Lewis have won if he'd gone with two sets of softs instead?

[Juzh]

Well, it's not like it's a first time for lewis to ignore a team order and put himself above the team, is it? khmmm hungary 2007 khm khmmm..

[f1-neil]

Could Lewis have won if he'd gone with two sets of softs instead?

I'd like to see Ted crunch the numbers on that one instead

[myurr]

Could Lewis have won if he'd gone with two sets of softs instead?

Quite possibly, but I think that Ricciardo was too far ahead even for the Mercedes to hunt him down. Wasn't he around 16 seconds ahead of Hamilton when he pitted for that final set of tyres? Would most likely have caught and passed Alonso though, possibly with both cars, so IMHO it's definitely cost Mercedes some points.