2022 Spanish Grand Prix - Catalunya, May 20 - 22

[Hammerfist]

Redbull has no interest in equal number 1. They would have promoted Gasly a long time ago.

Which they did, did you forget that they thought Gasly was fast so they did promote him?!

They only unpromoted Gasly when they found out he wasn't the fast driver they thought. Indeed, now Tsunoda is often outpacing Gasly.

You know what i mean. Gasly was driving well at Torro Roso after he was sent back. Drivers mature at different rates. Gasly has been top notch since 2020. He has done enough to be in redbull.
This season has shown how good other young drivers can race against Max and make him look very mediocre. George manhandled him today with very great defense. And we have seen Charles outmaneuvre Max. It's very likely Gasly would have upset Max were he to return to redbull after gaining a better understand of F1 in Alpha Tauri and getting a race win.

The point of the matter is the team formerly known as Jaguar is now Team Max with Redbull Energy drinks as title sponsor.

You make some good points but let's face it Gasly was never getting that seat back. It's more complicated then just to say did he deserve it or not. The story behind Redbull being so anti Gasly is that when he was there, he complained that they did not give him what he wanted from the car, basically he wanted to steer the car in a direction that is against max's wishes. They weren't having any of that. Gasly excels at Alfa Tauri because he is driving a neutrally balanced car. Max is making teammates look silly because he likes an extremely pointy car and can deal with more oversteer than these guys. If Gasly is brought back he will struggle again, because they will not sway development in his favor. That is a given. But it is true that they have chosen Max as their main guy and they're not looking to hire someone that can beat him. They passed on Alonso, they passed on Norris, they did not try to go for Russell when he was sitting in a Williams for years. It is clear what is going on over there. They are behind Max 100 percent. We might not like it but it is what it is.

[101FlyingDutchman]

Gasly has been top notch since 2020. He has done enough to be in redbull.

Gasly was beaten by Tsunoda in this very race. It would be a huge risk for Red Bull to take Gasly again -- they would look so stupid if they put Gasly back in and Gasly was off the pace again. IMO Gasly has not demonstrated talent on the Verstappen or Russell level, it's more likely that Gasly is similar to Fisichella or Frentzen, an impressive at times but inconsistent midfield driver IMO (and I say that as a big Fisico fan!).

Fisichella seemed really good, had beaten so many teammates, but put him against Alonso and it was a disaster.

It's very likely Gasly would have upset Max were he to return to redbull after gaining a better understand of F1 in Alpha Tauri and getting a race win.

I can guarantee that the reason the Gasly is not back in RBR is not because they think Gasly will be too fast! Quite the opposite unfortunately.

There's zero evidence that Gasly would be extremely fast in the RBR. They put Gasly in the RBR and Gasly was terrible, and worse Gasly offended the engineers by not following their setup instructions.

If RBR thought Gasly was really fast, they would put him in the car in an instant. Many people thought Sainz was really fast and it was silly for RBR to overlook him, but Sainz's poor performance against Leclerc tends to suggest that sadly maybe RBR were right.

George manhandled him today with very great defense. And we have seen Charles outmaneuvre Max.

George is on the same level as Charles and Max. There is little evidence that Pierre is. Pierre isn't even comfortably ahead of Yuki all the time.

Then why are redbull keeping Gasly under their control?
If he was so bad then why not let him go like Kyvaat and Sainz?
They clearly see value in him.
I am not saying he is going to beat Max. I am just saying that he will not be slow and he will make Max uncomfotable. Redbull simply has no interest in having two top drivers
It is against their business model, their operations model and even their development model. They make the car to suit one guy, they run strategy to suit one guy and they even release new parts to suit their #1 guy.
It is just not in their DNA.
So today was not a suprise. It's just u fortunate Checo has been neutered by his own team; despite being the more clinical driver today.

I rate PER as highly as GAS. Clearly he got on top of the car though and GAS did not. If you think that Merc doesn’t run the same ruthless operation then you are blinded by fandom. They kept Bottas for years because he’s a team player and didn’t nibble too hard at the feet of HAM. Imho they could have had a stronger driver pairing earlier but kept BOT to keep the status quo for as long as possible.
It’s better for team harmony by having some sort of gradient in the garage. Two proper No1s usually ends in tears

[fritticaldi]

Sainz has admitted once again that his driving style doesn't suit the Ferrari.

[renault rs26]

Checo deserved it more, because he didn't make any mistakes. While Max spun into the gravel trap, acted like a petulant gamer when his DRS wasn't working properly and he couldn't get passed George.

Imagine people calling Lewis a crybaby for complaining on the team radio...

But Max was much faster, he could afford that mistake and still finish ahead of Perez.

[NicoS]

Gusts of wind, DRS issues, being crashed into, and engine failures are also bad luck.

driver errors, Gusts only effected two drivers...
DRS failure = reliability
Engine failure = reliability.

And component failure sometimes comes down to luck.

You certainly post like someone who only found this site in 2022. It's a shame what this place has become. (l'm a long time lurker from 2010 era under a different username).

Component failure a measurable, predictable and preventable problem. it has more to do with critical controls pre, during and post manufacture and mode of use. sometimes running too close to crytical control limits catches you out... but there is absolutely no "luck" element. involved.
If that was the case you would never be able to make a product more reliable, since it would only operate due to chance...

[101FlyingDutchman]

Sainz has admitted once again that his driving style doesn't suit the Ferrari.

And they won’t develop the car to his liking if LEC does find that this is the cars sweet spot. The predicament of having a title contending car

[sosic2121]

Are you sure? I think if that wouldbe true HAM first needs to show he can finish in front of his team mate.

to be fair we already saw that he was leading Russ in 3 races before the VSC/SC killed his race.

You are right there. That was unlucky for him. But realistically Russell is better driver this year, but the gap is bigger than it should be

[fritticaldi]

Ferrari must terminate Sainz . The Spaniard never makes a good start and makes embarrassing mistakes. He is under-performing badly

[JordanMugen]

Sainz has admitted once again that his driving style doesn't suit the Ferrari.

And they won’t develop the car to his liking if LEC does find that this is the cars sweet spot. The predicament of having a title contending car

Exactly, the car is already fast, there's nothing to fix, why should Ferrari change it?

Ferrari must terminate Sainz . The Spaniard never makes a good start and makes embarrassing mistakes. He is under-performing badly

Bit harsh. To the contrary, Ferrari just provided a two year contract extension recently. They would look foolish to terminate a freshly inked contract. Sainz is obviously a solid driver, but having some tricky races.

[Hammerfist]

Gasly was beaten by Tsunoda in this very race. It would be a huge risk for Red Bull to take Gasly again -- they would look so stupid if they put Gasly back in and Gasly was off the pace again. IMO Gasly has not demonstrated talent on the Verstappen or Russell level, it's more likely that Gasly is similar to Fisichella or Frentzen, an impressive at times but inconsistent midfield driver IMO (and I say that as a big Fisico fan!).

Fisichella seemed really good, had beaten so many teammates, but put him against Alonso and it was a disaster.




I can guarantee that the reason the Gasly is not back in RBR is not because they think Gasly will be too fast! Quite the opposite unfortunately.

There's zero evidence that Gasly would be extremely fast in the RBR. They put Gasly in the RBR and Gasly was terrible, and worse Gasly offended the engineers by not following their setup instructions.

If RBR thought Gasly was really fast, they would put him in the car in an instant. Many people thought Sainz was really fast and it was silly for RBR to overlook him, but Sainz's poor performance against Leclerc tends to suggest that sadly maybe RBR were right.




George is on the same level as Charles and Max. There is little evidence that Pierre is. Pierre isn't even comfortably ahead of Yuki all the time.

Then why are redbull keeping Gasly under their control?
If he was so bad then why not let him go like Kyvaat and Sainz?
They clearly see value in him.
I am not saying he is going to beat Max. I am just saying that he will not be slow and he will make Max uncomfotable. Redbull simply has no interest in having two top drivers
It is against their business model, their operations model and even their development model. They make the car to suit one guy, they run strategy to suit one guy and they even release new parts to suit their #1 guy.
It is just not in their DNA.
So today was not a suprise. It's just u fortunate Checo has been neutered by his own team; despite being the more clinical driver today.

I rate PER as highly as GAS. Clearly he got on top of the car though and GAS did not. If you think that Merc doesn’t run the same ruthless operation then you are blinded by fandom. They kept Bottas for years because he’s a team player and didn’t nibble too hard at the feet of HAM. Imho they could have had a stronger driver pairing earlier but kept BOT to keep the status quo for as long as possible.
It’s better for team harmony by having some sort of gradient in the garage. Two proper No1s usually ends in tears

There isn't a whole lot of difference between Perez and Gasly imo. The main difference is that Perez is driving a championship contending car the last 2 years while Gasly never had that. Perez still get crushed in qualifying by Max and most days he is far away in race pace as well. And the longer we get in to the season, the further away he will be from Max, that happens every year for Max's teammates. No reason to believe it will be any different now.

They kept Bottas for years because he helped them win 5 consecutive constructors titles. Anti Hamilton people like to say he is a bad driver but he clearly isn't as he is dominating the midfield this year. Bottas was given plenty of chances to challenge Hamilton but he simply failed to ever mount a championship challenge. He simply was not as good and he was very unlucky at times but he is still a driver that can win a championship in the right car and circumstances.

[ispano6]

Mindblowing drive by Hamilton.

a half good race and all holy ham fans are appeared suddenly
I like most Toto's face when Sainz overtake Ham.
Apparently they open up the engine and says we are back. By the way, for showing Ham's mentality; he would withdraw from race to save engine for monaco if team accept his offer.

Amen.

Great result for RedBull to lead both championships! Sergio can get his wins now that Max has the lead, of course as long as Max can keep his championship lead. It's only natural RedBull have Max defend his championship, considering all those who are in denial of last year's triumph. If Max didn't get held up by George there probably was a larger gap to be had, plus Max was on the softs with a heavier car compared to the rest on their last stint in lighter cars. Lewis again exploiting track limits to make his gains but a keen eye was watching, though he himself wasn't even aware of his offenses. It's about time Leclerc suffered a DNF, lucky for RedBull but we'll take it! For a track that suited Ferrari, the result was better than expected. Overall very happy with this weekend!

[dialtone]

Ferrari must terminate Sainz . The Spaniard never makes a good start and makes embarrassing mistakes. He is under-performing badly

Dang man... Who would they put in the car after that? He's not performing well right now but terminating him is more expensive than working with him to improve his performance, he has 1 2nd, 2 3rd places and 1 4th place, he's not that bad.

[PlatinumZealot]

Ferrari must terminate Sainz . The Spaniard never makes a good start and makes embarrassing mistakes. He is under-performing badly

He needs to calm down and just drive the damned car. I have a feeling he listening to thw wrong advice behind the scenes. Someone is telling him to push to be number 1 this year when it just aint gonna happen. The car is a winner so wins will come. Could have been there behind Charlesbif he didnt fluff the start

[101FlyingDutchman]

Ferrari must terminate Sainz . The Spaniard never makes a good start and makes embarrassing mistakes. He is under-performing badly

Dang man... Who would they put in the car after that? He's not performing well right now but terminating him is more expensive than working with him to improve his performance, he has 1 2nd, 2 3rd places and 1 4th place, he's not that bad.

SAI was mega in the Macca. Dude clearly has the speed. But you have to remember that the car will now be more developed into a direction that LEC likes. SAI did that to himself and Ferrari will support LEC in his title challenge. I just hope he can find a way around his slump, SAI is a real good dude. He’s hurting but he’s extremely highly rated imho

[PlatinumZealot]

If we are on the topic of terminating drivers..

Latifi is starting to scrape himself together...
Stoll is still crashing into people..
Yuki has gone past his sell by date...
And how could se forget Danny ric!