2022 - McLaren Formula 1 Team

[SmallSoldier]

Track limits should have some leniency

Why? If the race notes indicate that Track Limits will be enforced in certain turns, it is up to the drivers to make sure they comply with it.

Driver’s also have to infringe track limits 3 times to get a black and white flag and a forth time to get a penalty… There is no reason to not enforce them properly.

No issues with track limits incurring a penalty, but on the same level as running another car of the road? Causing a collision which could severely compromise, or even end another drivers race? F1 has the most unbalanced rule books in the history of rule books.

Not disagreeing there… The penalties aren’t balanced, but I will argue that the outcome of a collision should never be part of the penalty itself… The penalties have to be applied based on the actions, not the outcome

The fact that a track limit violation has the same penalty as running someone off the track is debatable, at the same time, not following track limits can save a lot of time on track and that’s why there is a time penalty associated with it.


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[Maax70]

Maybe I'm too old, but once the good ones kept their foot down with two wheels off the track

Let's put gravel just outside the curbs and possibly stop this videogame mode

[mwillems]

Why? If the race notes indicate that Track Limits will be enforced in certain turns, it is up to the drivers to make sure they comply with it.

Driver’s also have to infringe track limits 3 times to get a black and white flag and a forth time to get a penalty… There is no reason to not enforce them properly.

No issues with track limits incurring a penalty, but on the same level as running another car of the road? Causing a collision which could severely compromise, or even end another drivers race? F1 has the most unbalanced rule books in the history of rule books.

Not disagreeing there… The penalties aren’t balanced, but I will argue that the outcome of a collision should never be part of the penalty itself… The penalties have to be applied based on the actions, not the outcome

The fact that a track limit violation has the same penalty as running someone off the track is debatable, at the same time, not following track limits can save a lot of time on track and that’s why there is a time penalty associated with it.


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Adding to that, you have to go off track a few times before the black and white flag, which is the final warning before the penalty. So there is leniency and communication about the issue. It's not like they suddenly get a 5 second penalty. This is unlike an incident which is examined on it's own singular merit for the racing actions that created it.

So it's on the driver really. Yeah it may be hard to see the lines now but that is why they are paid the big bucks.

[Mansell89]

Very well managed race to steal a double points finish. Plenty of fortune due to Perez and Sainz ahead but good points.

Not sure how the team ended up with Daniel losing track position to Lando but he was on his pace all weekend for long runs so good to see DR bringing it home for some points.

Think we were far stronger on our tyres today which aided the overtakes- we are still a little draggy and clearly is an issue that will need solving.

George Russell with the big rear wing showed just what the drag issue can do- it really held him back having damaged the better spec rear wing in his crash.

[SmallSoldier]

No issues with track limits incurring a penalty, but on the same level as running another car of the road? Causing a collision which could severely compromise, or even end another drivers race? F1 has the most unbalanced rule books in the history of rule books.

Not disagreeing there… The penalties aren’t balanced, but I will argue that the outcome of a collision should never be part of the penalty itself… The penalties have to be applied based on the actions, not the outcome

The fact that a track limit violation has the same penalty as running someone off the track is debatable, at the same time, not following track limits can save a lot of time on track and that’s why there is a time penalty associated with it.


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Adding to that, you have to go off track a few times before the black and white flag, which is the final warning before the penalty. So there is leniency and communication about the issue. It's not like they suddenly get a 5 second penalty. This is unlike an incident which is examined on it's own singular merit for the racing actions that created it.

So it's on the driver really. Yeah it may be hard to see the lines now but that is why they are paid the big bucks.

Exactly!

[SmallSoldier]

Very well managed race to steal a double points finish. Plenty of fortune due to Perez and Sainz ahead but good points.

Not sure how the team ended up with Daniel losing track position to Lando but he was on his pace all weekend for long runs so good to see DR bringing it home for some points.

Think we were far stronger on our tyres today which aided the overtakes- we are still a little draggy and clearly is an issue that will need solving.

George Russell with the big rear wing showed just what the drag issue can do- it really held him back having damaged the better spec rear wing in his crash.

Long run pace was better than expected… Got lucky this weekend with Perez and Sainz DNF’ing (a couple of positions gained there) and even when Alonso initially got lucky with the VSC and jumped Daniel, he had to pit again due to vibrations on his tires and had to pit again, therefore Daniel keeping his position.

[proteus]

Maybe I'm too old, but once the good ones kept their foot down with two wheels off the track

Let's put gravel just outside the gravel and possibly stop this videogame mode

A 1,5 - 2m wide belt of grass right after the narrower curb would be enough to remove any wishes to go wide from the drivers. But as long as there will be like it is now, everyone is taking it as a gift that keeps giving.

I wonder how much slower would be the laptimes if drivers would need to brake more to stay on the actual track.

[mwillems]

Maybe I'm too old, but once the good ones kept their foot down with two wheels off the track

Let's put gravel just outside the gravel and possibly stop this videogame mode

I'd love that, but the issue is that these very same tracks are often used for MotoGP and they can't use it as much as we'd like for that reason.

Wouldn't be awesome if they had removable rubber tiles on the run off where they could put gravel for the GP and then replace the tiles after the event.

[djos]

Daniel has been fine. No complaints this race.

Not great, not terrible, a decent performance.

He was definitely solid, my only concern was his times at the end of each tire stint really dropped off a lot - still, double points and no mechanical issues during the race is a good result for the team at a track the cars arent well suited for.

[djos]

Not sure how the team ended up with Daniel losing track position to Lando but he was on his pace all weekend for long runs so good to see DR bringing it home for some points.

Lando got by Daniel in that first stint due to Daniel flat-spotting his tires in the first corner. After that, Daniel was unfortunately too slow at the end of each stint to capitalise on Lando's 5 second penalty.

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[Darth-Piekus]

The good thing was that we were pit stop problem free this time.

[bauc]

Solid race from the team, but we are starting to fall behind Alpine and it will be hard to fight for P4 till the end.

[mwillems]

Daniel has been fine. No complaints this race.

Not great, not terrible, a decent performance.

He was definitely solid, my only concern was his times at the end of each tire stint really dropped off a lot - still, double points and no mechanical issues during the race is a good result for the team at a track the cars arent well suited for.

It was a good haul. You have to wonder what a decent qualy would have done for us though.

[Emag]

I guess the next track to look forward to would be Hungary?

Not sure how we will fare in France.