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You follow motoGP? Those engines have been developed and improved for years, but each time an update is put on the bike (even aero!), electronics need to be tempered with to get the best out of it.diffuser wrote:Right cause they spend over 1 Billions dollars on a improving and producing PUs/PU design over 5 years right?. Compare apples with apples.
Often, in these forums, we latch on to things that at some point were true. We carry them forward and expect them to be true for, a given period of time. I believe drive-ability to be one of those things. It is well documented that in this generation of PUs regulations that at one time Renault had drive-ability issues. I can't believe that after all the time, effort, money they pour into these PUs and constant feed back they ask for and get from the drivers that they haven't resolved those issues to the point where any advantage anyone team has been nullified.
I just can't believe that.
Until now Mclaren is not behind. It (only) seems that wont stay that way. But, either way, I didnt connect performance with budget. I only asked if there any info about all the teams budgets.
The budget does not matter. The Renault team has a couple of more experienced pilots, and they have their own engine, and as a result more understanding of its integration into the chassis. Back in the days of Mercedes, when the Germans came with their team to the championship, McLaren’s engineers immediately noted that the level of interconnection had sharply decreased.
Agreed, that doesn't mean 1 PU is "Always" better than another. They get updates and sometimes they get the drive-ability better than others. I'm sure it doesn't take very long to fix it either.bone wrote: ↑14 Jun 2019, 09:54You follow motoGP? Those engines have been developed and improved for years, but each time an update is put on the bike (even aero!), electronics need to be tempered with to get the best out of it.diffuser wrote:Right cause they spend over 1 Billions dollars on a improving and producing PUs/PU design over 5 years right?. Compare apples with apples.
Often, in these forums, we latch on to things that at some point were true. We carry them forward and expect them to be true for, a given period of time. I believe drive-ability to be one of those things. It is well documented that in this generation of PUs regulations that at one time Renault had drive-ability issues. I can't believe that after all the time, effort, money they pour into these PUs and constant feed back they ask for and get from the drivers that they haven't resolved those issues to the point where any advantage anyone team has been nullified.
I just can't believe that.
F1 cars are less susceptible to driveability than a bike, but where every nano second counts, it's still very important!
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While the reason is not known.
Exactly what Red Bull and Toro Rosso said. Remember how Renault leapfrogged STR at the end of 2017 when their power units with 2nd rate parts started breaking down due to user or installation error? Would not be surprised to see something coincidentally similar._cerber1 wrote: ↑14 Jun 2019, 13:21The budget does not matter. The Renault team has a couple of more experienced pilots, and they have their own engine, and as a result more understanding of its integration into the chassis. Back in the days of Mercedes, when the Germans came with their team to the championship, McLaren’s engineers immediately noted that the level of interconnection had sharply decreased.
Renault was struggling that point with the sheer number of engine failures, it’s rumoured they decided to concentrate on themselves and RB with TR getting recycled components instead of complete new engines, hence their higher rate of failure.ispano6 wrote: ↑15 Jun 2019, 05:54Exactly what Red Bull and Toro Rosso said. Remember how Renault leapfrogged STR at the end of 2017 when their power units with 2nd rate parts started breaking down due to user or installation error? Would not be surprised to see something coincidentally similar._cerber1 wrote: ↑14 Jun 2019, 13:21The budget does not matter. The Renault team has a couple of more experienced pilots, and they have their own engine, and as a result more understanding of its integration into the chassis. Back in the days of Mercedes, when the Germans came with their team to the championship, McLaren’s engineers immediately noted that the level of interconnection had sharply decreased.
In Renault's mind McLaren is below them.
Lol... Keep your tinfoil hat please.ispano6 wrote:Exactly what Red Bull and Toro Rosso said. Remember how Renault leapfrogged STR at the end of 2017 when their power units with 2nd rate parts started breaking down due to user or installation error? Would not be surprised to see something coincidentally similar._cerber1 wrote: ↑14 Jun 2019, 13:21The budget does not matter. The Renault team has a couple of more experienced pilots, and they have their own engine, and as a result more understanding of its integration into the chassis. Back in the days of Mercedes, when the Germans came with their team to the championship, McLaren’s engineers immediately noted that the level of interconnection had sharply decreased.
In Renault's mind McLaren is below them.
Not sure, it's a track where tyre wear is a concern, which suits the car, and there's enough high speed corners that the power/low drag nature should help as well - but on the other hand it's also a fair high grip surface so teams like HAAS and TR that struggle elsewhere should be able to get the tyres working easier, I'd expect the car to drop back into the midfield pack a bit compared to Canada.
Any idea what's coming?PhillipM wrote: ↑15 Jun 2019, 17:38Not sure, it's a track where tyre wear is a concern, which suits the car, and there's enough high speed corners that the power/low drag nature should help as well - but on the other hand it's also a fair high grip surface so teams like HAAS and TR that struggle elsewhere should be able to get the tyres working easier, I'd expect the car to drop back into the midfield pack a bit compared to Canada.
However, a lot of teams have small upgrade packages arriving here, Mclaren included, so that could shake things up as well.