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Ferrari has worked in a 'clever' wheels that allows to the pit faster, also helps to maintain the temperature of tires and brakes better
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Anything more specified? how 'clever' are the wheels? will it unwind the nuts by itself the moment it pit? i have no idea how a 'clever' wheel looks likeas the regulation on this area is pretty water tight...Lorenzo_Bandini wrote:From Joseluisf1
Ferrari has worked in a 'clever' wheels that allows to the pit faster, also helps to maintain the temperature of tires and brakes better
He could mean similar to Mercedes, who led 2011 with the quickest pit stop times of all teams. Mercedes has the torque of the wheel nuts already broken before the car stops due partly in fact to their unique wheel nut design. The team used a design pioneered by Mercedes-Benz in DTM – of incorporating the wheel nut actually into its wheel rim, so it is impossible for the nut to fly off during a stop. They were also using helium for the guns & when other teams found out of course they switched to that gas too. Which led to it's ban for 2012. So there are ways to make clever designs and not just dismiss the idea because of regulations.NonNewtonic wrote:Anything more specified? how 'clever' are the wheels? will it unwind the nuts by itself the moment it pit? i have no idea how a 'clever' wheel looks likeas the regulation on this area is pretty water tight...Lorenzo_Bandini wrote:From Joseluisf1
Ferrari has worked in a 'clever' wheels that allows to the pit faster, also helps to maintain the temperature of tires and brakes better
GP Update wrote:While at the factory, both men were greeted by Team Principal Stefano Domenicali and updated by engineers on the latest technical information. This year’s car is expected to be named F12.
Seems like Regulation 12.8.1 contradicts the 12.8.2? When is the wheel nut considered not attached to the wheel?neilbah wrote:yeah reading the rules on the wheels/nuts there are more exploits available
12.8.1 The only parts which may be physically attached to the wheel in addition to the tyre are surface treatments for appearance and protection, valves for filling and discharging the tyre, balance weights, drive pegs, tyre pressure and temperature monitoring devices and spacers on the inboard mounting face of identical specification on all wheels for the same axle.
12.8.2 The wheel must be attached to the car with a single fastener. The outer diameter of the fastener must not exceed 105mm and the axial length must not exceed 75mm. The wheel fastener may not attach or mount any part to the car except the wheel assembly described in Article 12.8.1.
The wheel nut is never attached to the wheel. It's attached to the car and merely locates the wheel on the stub axle.n smikle wrote:Seems like Regulation 12.8.1 contradicts the 12.8.2? When is the wheel nut considered not attached to the wheel?neilbah wrote:yeah reading the rules on the wheels/nuts there are more exploits available
12.8.1 The only parts which may be physically attached to the wheel in addition to the tyre are surface treatments for appearance and protection, valves for filling and discharging the tyre, balance weights, drive pegs, tyre pressure and temperature monitoring devices and spacers on the inboard mounting face of identical specification on all wheels for the same axle.
12.8.2 The wheel must be attached to the car with a single fastener. The outer diameter of the fastener must not exceed 105mm and the axial length must not exceed 75mm. The wheel fastener may not attach or mount any part to the car except the wheel assembly described in Article 12.8.1.
So the nut attaches the wheel to the car.The wheel fastener may not attach or mount any part to the car except the wheel assembly described in Article 12.8.1.
Not to have an argument about semantics, but syntax is related to sentence structure. The argument here is about semantics i.e. the meaning of the sentence. In general, I dislike the phrase "that's just about semantics" – semantics is the important bit – finding out what the rules really allow and don't allow is important.gridwalker wrote:I guess the difference is that you attach the wheel to the car using the nut ... there is a difference in semantics only, but you both have a point depending upon interpretation.
Guys, can we please not have a discussion about syntax? This is what happens when a bunch of technical guys are starved of news for a few months
Was this wording included to close the loophole thar allowed the aero wheel covers?bhallg2k wrote: The wheel fastener may not [be used to] attach or mount any part to the car except the wheel assembly described in Article 12.8.1.