2012 European GP - Valencia

[astracrazy]

just re-watched the Hamilton, Pastor crash about 5 times.

Hamilton defends position and takes up racing line which keeps Pastor off the track. All 4 wheels go off the track 100%. Then Hamilton moves over to take the next corner so Pastor comes onto the track but never attempts to take the corner at all. Drivers straight into the side of Hamilton. Pastor makes no attempt to slow down, turn or anything. Hamilton was always in front and so is entitled to the racing line. Why should Hamilton back out when he is in front.

How is that not Pastor's fault....

[GrizzleBoy]

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Alternators overheating... suure.

They can be affected by heat, yes.

Yes...I agree...if an alternator recieves too much current it will overheat.

And if it overheats, parts will melt, short out creating even more current, creating even more heat and its gone.

[ell66]

Actually no, he did not. He had two wheels back on the racetrack and both drivers were going parallel, whhen Hamilton decided to try making the apex of the upcoming corner and turned into him Maldo. Yes, Maldonado could have relented but Hamilton really couldn't expect him to. I.e. both were being stupid.

Vettel... I knew his engine was gonna go after the Safety car. THose tight sidepods don't go well with cooling.

That's a bold statement, considering that the alternator broke and thus cooling had nothing to do with it.

actualy no! he had all 4 wheels off track, dont be biased.

[beelsebob]

Just saw the video of the Hamilton/Maldonado incident.

It's an iffy call to be quite frank.

Both were at fault...Hamilton should have ceded position and not crowded him off the track. But Maldonado's move into Hamilton was unnecessary.

dont be stupid, in that situation drivers always squeeze the other guy out and they then back out of it, it happened many times today at the same corner, but block head maldo kept his foot in with all 4 wheels off track causing an accident.

Quite, if it had been hamilton there he would have been "driving into a wedge shape that was always going to close"

Sorry, but on a corner exit, the guy in front has every right to drive you out wide and cause you to back out of it. If you don't back out of it, and subsequently T bone them, it's your fault, and your fault only.

[Poleman]

A picture is worth a thousand words...

[Traction]

Maldonado gets 10 place grid penalty for Silverstone.

That's minimal

[McMrocks]

Schumacher: In an other Forum i heard that he used DRS but no car was in front of him.

[marcush.]

interestingly grosjean and Vettel suffering from the same failure....as hinted by Horner ...So on ewould look why webber and Raikkonen, Petrov ,kovalainen Maldonato and Senna did not suffer the same fate on this...
I´d think an alternator overheating in a heatsoak condition (not much in terms of airflow available) is somewhat plausible but an alternator has an internal cooling fan so it may be something in the periphery (cabling?) that suffered.

as with Schumachers DRS ..i thought DRS was only available after enabling (<1sec gap)?? how come it is available when no car is in front?

[beelsebob]

Maldonado gets 10 place grid penalty for Silverstone.

That's minimal

Nah, tbh, for that incident, and that incident only, that's what I'd expect... I'd just also be expecting the FIA to be thinking "hey, this guy is dangerous, we need to calm him down" by now.

[stefan_]

Maldonado gets 10 place grid penalty for Silverstone.

More was needed. He should have started at the back of the grid.

[beelsebob]

interestingly grosjean and Vettel suffering from the same failure....as hinted by Horner ...So on ewould look why webber and Raikkonen, Petrov ,kovalainen Maldonato and Senna did not suffer the same fate on this...
I´d think an alternator overheating in a heatsoak condition (not much in terms of airflow available) is somewhat plausible but an alternator has an internal cooling fan so it may be something in the periphery (cabling?) that suffered.

Horner also hinted that it was the same failure that Webber suffered, so it may indeed be that the renault needs a lot of cooling to the alternator.

[snoop1050]

the ferrari hasnt been a dog for a long while now, its probably the second fastest car for a few races

[Raptor22]

Lets hope there's far too much focus on the #7 car now for things to go wrong. Strange how they place an engineer to specifically over see the other engineers and mechanics and bang reliability returns.
Whats clear is that a race engineer change is needed.
Schumacher drove the wheels off the W03 to stay in touch during his first stint. The medium tyres simply were not the way to go at the start. Rosberg made the softs last nearly as long and didn't loose as much time. Clear then reverted Schumacher to plan B which I assume was the two stop strategy. His performance on the mediums in the first stint kept him in touch.
I think they gambled on several safety car periods starting fairly early in the race

[zyphro]

Maldonado gets 10 place grid penalty for Silverstone.

Why not ban him for a race?

[FrukostScones]

Maldonado gets 10 place grid penalty for Silverstone.

i's maybe justified but still sad because the Williams will be quite competitive in Silverstone.