2022 United States Grand Prix - COTA, Oct 21 - 23

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This race, max and Hamilton set a record. Most number of 1-2s. There are 32, beating out the 31 that Ham/Ros had previously

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This is very cool, considering they are from different teams! 2 incredible drivers of the sport!

Do you know the 2nd most 1-2 on that list for non-teammates? That would be interesting to see as well.

Hamilton-Vettel at 3rd place with 26 1-2s, the last being Mexico '19

[Oleo]

A wing mirror isn't something that can be replaced quickly (like the front wing) so if you lose a mirror through no fault of your own that means retirement?!

it actually sounds like that in the decision document, yeah. "Mr Bauer submitted that a flapping mirror was dangerous and it could come loose and hit another driver causing injury. Therefore this was unsafe. Mr Bauer further stated that a car needs to have two mirrors and that in his opinion, which the Stewards accept as expert opinion, the car was unsafe to be driven with a mirror missing."

"Article 3.2 of the Formula 1 Sporting Regulations is clear – a car must be in a safe condition throughout a race, and in this case, Car 14 was not."

So normally every car lacking a mirror should be deemed "unsafe" in future now.

Strange, I wonder when Mr. Bauer changed his opinion on this matter.
Kubica Australia 2019, Leclerc and Hamilton Japan 2019 he did not consider this a problem. There is also various Gasly and Vettel incidents in FP holding a mirror with one hand while driving with the other, but thats practice.
Precedent is clear that one broken mirror is not a problem, so what changed for Mr. Bauer?

[AR3-GP]

in the end, Mercedes kept the wrong kind of tyres for the race. On mediums, I think Hamilton would have been able to win.

The Red Bull in Max's hands is too fast for Hamilton in that Mercedes to have won, even on the medium tyre. It might have taken a lap or two longer for Max, but he'd have still taken Hamilton before the end. Good recovery drive from Max after his pitstop problem (having won the title, one might have forgiven him a "sod it, that'll do" attitude but he went for the win), great drive by Hamilton to hold on as long as he did. But as Hamilton himself said, without others having problems, they'd have been off the podium. I was mostly surprised by Leclerc's performance at the end - expected him to be able to catch and pass Hamilton but it didn't happen.

possible, yeah, but the medium looked considerably quicker to me, and he was in front for 14 laps, mainly in clean air. I think it's reasonable to believe that Hamilton would have been 5s further ahead at least

Verstappen was already considerably quicker when both cars had the medium tire in the first stint. Hamilton's medium tires fell off badly which triggered Mercedes to pit on the first pit stop. It's likely the same would have happened on the final stint.

[chrisc90]

It also opens the flood doors to what constitutes as being safe/unsafe.

Earlier in the year they allowed Yuki to go out round Baku with a cracked rear wing that was taped up. Nothing was said.

A 30second penalty is just outright stupid in my opinion; probably one of the worst decisions i've seen in a long time - Especially when you compare it to the likes of taking a competitor out the race.

I fear this decision has set a downwards slope in stewarding and is only going to end up with many more protests about illegal cars with race results changed after the race.

[graham.reeds]

Can you name the last time a driver lost a mirror in a race that the car could continue?

Alonso was outrageously lucky to carry on.

Didn't Button lose a wing mirror at Spa from flying carbon fibre?

[Sofa King]

Look at Lando’s cockpit camera during the crash and reassess what is stupid here and what isn’t. Alpine and the race director put Fernando, every nearby driver and spectator’s life at risk for the remainder of the race

It also opens the flood doors to what constitutes as being safe/unsafe.

Earlier in the year they allowed Yuki to go out round Baku with a cracked rear wing that was taped up. Nothing was said.

A 30second penalty is just outright stupid in my opinion; probably one of the worst decisions i've seen in a long time - Especially when you compare it to the likes of taking a competitor out the race.

I fear this decision has set a downwards slope in stewarding and is only going to end up with many more protests about illegal cars with race results changed after the race.

[AR3-GP]

F1 is setting a dangerous precedent for taking out another driver in the opening lap and only getting a small time penalty.

[Zynerji]

Can you name the last time a driver lost a mirror in a race that the car could continue?

Alonso was outrageously lucky to carry on.

Didn't Button lose a wing mirror at Spa from flying carbon fibre?

I personally cannot recall it ever happening outside a race ending wreck.

[AR3-GP]

The ease of overtaking a Mercedes is two-fold. 1) It's not very quick down the straight and 2) it punches a very big hole in the air for the trailing car.

[langedweil]

Afer this GP I suggest every team should creat a mounting point for a quick mounting of a reserve mirror .

They have them in Halfords with a sucker on

[dans79]

Can you name the last time a driver lost a mirror in a race that the car could continue?

Alonso was outrageously lucky to carry on.

Didn't Button lose a wing mirror at Spa from flying carbon fibre?

I personally cannot recall it ever happening outside a race ending wreck.

Japan 2019, Ferrari didn't pit Leclerc. His left front wing endplate came off right before 130R, and ripped lewis's right mirror off the car!

[mendis]

F1 is setting a dangerous precedent for taking out another driver in the opening lap and only getting a small time penalty.

There is too much of nonsense going on from stewards in the name of first lap incidents. Sometimes I feel, all races should have a rolling start, instead of standing one. It can save so much money for teams.

[PlatinumZealot]

F1 is setting a dangerous precedent for taking out another driver in the opening lap and only getting a small time penalty.

This case is not black and white that's why. Sainz though innoccent, changed his line so that he could cross-over on Max. This sudden change of line left zero margin to avoid a collision from any late braking by rivals. As Brundle said, Sainz should have kept his car as steady as possible to ensure he gets out safe from turn one.

[mendis]

F1 is setting a dangerous precedent for taking out another driver in the opening lap and only getting a small time penalty.

This case is not black and white that's why. Sainz though innoccent, changed his line so that he could cross-over on Max. This sudden change of line left zero margin to avoid a collision from any late braking by rivals. As Brundle said, Sainz should have kept his car as steady as possible to ensure he gets out safe from turn one.

Lewis'onboard shows, it was his front wing that tapped Carlos' right rear and send him in a spin and then George t-boned him.

[graham.reeds]

Can you name the last time a driver lost a mirror in a race that the car could continue?

Alonso was outrageously lucky to carry on.

Didn't Button lose a wing mirror at Spa from flying carbon fibre?

I personally cannot recall it ever happening outside a race ending wreck.

Couldn't find the video of it (didn't search hard though). Did find this though:"Turn 1 was mayhem caused by the guys up front. [Paul] di Resta hit my rear wing, damaged my rear wing, half the endplate was gone and driving to Eau Rouge someone's rear wing came off and went through my front wing and took the mirror off."
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/jenso ... 4/4449464/