2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

[mclaren111]

I agree... Good move by Zak

[Andres125sx]

Sainz just messed up in Canada Q3. He said he would have been close to the Renaults.

Actually what he said is he did a mistake trying to beat Renault, who in this track was out of reach

Correct, but without his mistake, he would have been 8th, and a lot closer to the Renaults

No, just one position closer. Magnusen didn´t participate in Q3, so 8th and 9th was the minimum the team could do, so he only gifted his (supposed) position to his teammate. From a strategical point of view it was one of those rare scenarios when they can take more risks than usual because there´s nothing to loose, the team will be 8th and 9th anycase, even if no car finish a lap, so perfect scenario to go mad and see what happens

The penalty sent him to 11th position, but that´s a different mistake. If this is the one you were refering to, then I fully agree, except he´d have been 9th so I guess you were not refering to this one

[Ground Effect]

Actually what he said is he did a mistake trying to beat Renault, who in this track was out of reach

Correct, but without his mistake, he would have been 8th, and a lot closer to the Renaults

No, just one position closer. Magnusen didn´t participate in Q3, so 8th and 9th was the minimum the team could do, so he only gifted his (supposed) position to his teammate. From a strategical point of view it was one of those rare scenarios when they can take more risks than usual because there´s nothing to loose, the team will be 8th and 9th anycase, even if no car finish a lap, so perfect scenario to go mad and see what happens

The penalty sent him to 11th position, but that´s a different mistake. If this is the one you were refering to, then I fully agree, except he´d have been 9th so I guess you were not refering to this one

What I mean is that he would have out qualified Lando, and had 8th, before his penalty, with the Delta the team had to the Renault car’s overall being smaller. We definitely weren’t quick enough to match them in Canada. I hope they’ll have enough to have a good go at Renault this weekend.

[RonDennis]

Sainz just messed up in Canada Q3. He said he would have been close to the Renaults.

Actually what he said is he did a mistake trying to beat Renault, who in this track was out of reach

I said close, not beating them. He did a 1:11.5 in Q2, while Hulkenberg did a 1:11.3 in Q3.

[ScottR267]

Seidl:

It couldn’t be simpler: James Key, technical director, reports to Andreas, as do Paul James (team manager), and, currently, COO Jonathan Neale, who is temporarily covering in the role of production director vacated by Simon Roberts. The balance of over 700 employees report to one of the three.

Wasn't aware that Simon Roberts left... Wonder when this happened...

News to me too. Surely he’s resigned rather than being shafted otherwise surely Zak would’ve got rid sooner?

[Ground Effect]

Seidl:

It couldn’t be simpler: James Key, technical director, reports to Andreas, as do Paul James (team manager), and, currently, COO Jonathan Neale, who is temporarily covering in the role of production director vacated by Simon Roberts. The balance of over 700 employees report to one of the three.

Wasn't aware that Simon Roberts left... Wonder when this happened...

News to me too. Surely he’s resigned rather than being shafted otherwise surely Zak would’ve got rid sooner?

Joe Saward had mentioned it a while back, but I can’t remember where he’s going.

[ThePapayaJaguar]

On the subject of who is running their PU harder between McLaren and Renault, this article from Motorsport might be helpful.

Quote: "Renault has promised a significant chassis update for next weekend's French Grand Prix, having run its engine harder in recent races as well."

Link: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/issu ... e/4474412/

I think that line refers to them overcoming the reliability issues that forced them to run detuned for a couple of races. After the fix, they could run the engines harder, closer to it’s full potential.

Could be. I was thinking that maybe they ran the engine harder than they would've liked to in quali and defending from Bottas in the race.

[ThePapayaJaguar]

https://twitter.com/AlbertFabrega/statu ... 92192?s=19

[mwillems]

Taken from the car thread:



We could really have done with this at Monaco, but better late than never. This may be worth a chunk of time on the right tracks, and probably a decent amount here.

[Darth-Piekus]

So is the new suspension system that Mercedes also using gonna solve for us the Front End Problems that keep us back? How much time will that give us extra?

[trinidefender]

So is the new suspension system that Mercedes also using gonna solve for us the Front End Problems that keep us back? How much time will that give us extra?

Solve? Define solve. It appears that this design helps most on low speed tighter corners where more steering lock is applied as this will lower the front wing more.

How much time? Impossible to say. Anyone who does, without inside knowledge from McLaren, is probably making a purely speculative guess.

My best guess is that it will take till at least the next GP to get the setup dialled in more with this front suspension as its setup window will probably be vastly different.

[mwillems]

So is the new suspension system that Mercedes also using gonna solve for us the Front End Problems that keep us back? How much time will that give us extra?

Solve? Define solve. It appears that this design helps most on low speed tighter corners where more steering lock is applied as this will lower the front wing more.

How much time? Impossible to say. Anyone who does, without inside knowledge from McLaren, is probably making a purely speculative guess.

My best guess is that it will take till at least the next GP to get the setup dialled in more with this front suspension as its setup window will probably be vastly different.

I'd like to think that the Aero operating window would actually be a bit wider with this new design. If that is the case then the gains might be instant albeit smaller until the optimal setup is found?

[PhillipM]

I wouldn't think they'd have too much in the way of setup issues, Mclaren have used these kind of setups before and so already have data on what they need - they've obviously just worked out what the trick was to get around the ruling. Be interesting to see if the car is on the droop stops for scrutineering....

[Andres125sx]

How much time? Impossible to say. Anyone who does, without inside knowledge from McLaren, is probably making a purely speculative guess.

I´d say not even the designers can say how much time it will improve, they may have an estimation, but even them will be very speculative as it will depend on many factors like track, temperature, tire compound... and simulators are not perfect so there will always be some factors affecting the setup wich the simulator can´t take into account

[mwillems]

Would this kind of solution allow Mclaren to bring the wing closer to the ground a small amount, or would that push away air that needs to go to the bottom of the car?