I think he was referring to Q3, which was more or less an hour later than tomorrow's start timelangedweil wrote: ↑12 Dec 2021, 01:04Dunno where you found that wisdom, but in my world the time is exactly the same ..
You might wanna check that.
If they're sticking to a one stop, then S-H will be the obvious choice, but that will need a lot of tire management.ME4ME wrote: ↑11 Dec 2021, 22:59Hm I don't think they did. No idea why they ran the Softs on friday, but regarding the other two points, Horner said they were concerned about track evolution with Max. And Sergio.. he didn't have the pace. He was 9th or 10th on the mediums and they had to put him on softs to secure a place in Q3.
Max lap was incredible. So credit to him.
It really didn't look like Red Bull had the pace until Q3.
So they might've over-achieved, which could mean everything will be back to normal tomorrow and Mercedes will have the upper hand.
What it also could mean, is that somehow the track rubbering in and the temperatures came to Red Bull. Possibly the extra grip on-track benefitted their low-df setup (or at least rear wing). Best case: that advantage continues right away tomorrow. Alternativly, if it was the temperature that helped RB it might help them at the end of the race (although the race is an hour earlier that Q was today).
Who knows .. maybe if they think that the Softs and the right temperature will give them an advantage of serveral tenths, as was the case in Q3, they could put Max on another set of Softs at the end. S-H-S strategy.
Whatever happens, it will be absolutely crucial that Max stays ahead at the start and can drive sufficiently fast long enough to create a pit-window. This is going to be hard, imo. As we saw in Q2, which in my opinion reflects this weekends relative performance the best, the gaps were tiny and many cars were competitive. I don't think its going to be easy for Max to put 25+ seconds on them, given that the Softs won't go very long. Bottas surely is Red Bulls biggest strategic headache.
Those laps were done on highdownforce wing and lower tyre pressure in FP2Revs84 wrote: ↑12 Dec 2021, 01:34
Max had blistering pace on the softs on the long runs in FP2, consistently between 0.5s and 1s faster than Hamilton on Mediums - for several laps. The major caveat is that we don't know what engine modes or fuel loads they were running, although the teams would have a solid guesstimate.
All in all, I wouldn't be surprised if we see a very aggressive all-in strategy from Red Bull Honda tomorrow.
Agree with this, unless Lewis is close enough to pull an undercut and switches to a 2 stop himself for M-H-S. His only play if Max goes early is to go long and absolutely drive the wheels off it on the hards.Revs84 wrote: ↑12 Dec 2021, 01:34If they're sticking to a one stop, then S-H will be the obvious choice, but that will need a lot of tire management.ME4ME wrote: ↑11 Dec 2021, 22:59Hm I don't think they did. No idea why they ran the Softs on friday, but regarding the other two points, Horner said they were concerned about track evolution with Max. And Sergio.. he didn't have the pace. He was 9th or 10th on the mediums and they had to put him on softs to secure a place in Q3.
Max lap was incredible. So credit to him.
It really didn't look like Red Bull had the pace until Q3.
So they might've over-achieved, which could mean everything will be back to normal tomorrow and Mercedes will have the upper hand.
What it also could mean, is that somehow the track rubbering in and the temperatures came to Red Bull. Possibly the extra grip on-track benefitted their low-df setup (or at least rear wing). Best case: that advantage continues right away tomorrow. Alternativly, if it was the temperature that helped RB it might help them at the end of the race (although the race is an hour earlier that Q was today).
Who knows .. maybe if they think that the Softs and the right temperature will give them an advantage of serveral tenths, as was the case in Q3, they could put Max on another set of Softs at the end. S-H-S strategy.
Whatever happens, it will be absolutely crucial that Max stays ahead at the start and can drive sufficiently fast long enough to create a pit-window. This is going to be hard, imo. As we saw in Q2, which in my opinion reflects this weekends relative performance the best, the gaps were tiny and many cars were competitive. I don't think its going to be easy for Max to put 25+ seconds on them, given that the Softs won't go very long. Bottas surely is Red Bulls biggest strategic headache.
So I wouldn't be surprised if they indeed go for an aggressive S-H-S. If nothing unexpected happens to either Max or Lewis, that will probably mean Max will need to hunt Lewis in the last 10 laps or so, who will probably be doing a 2 stop on M-H.
Max had blistering pace on the softs on the long runs in FP2, consistently between 0.5s and 1s faster than Hamilton on Mediums - for several laps. The major caveat is that we don't know what engine modes or fuel loads they were running, although the teams would have a solid guesstimate.
All in all, I wouldn't be surprised if we see a very aggressive all-in strategy from Red Bull Honda tomorrow.
He doesn't really need to pull away. All he has to do is keep Hamilton behind which might be possible with the low downforce setup . Hamilton will not want to go wheel to wheel with him. This is the only way Red Bull could play it considering Mercs race pace. I think soft tyres were the plan all along to make sure he gets in front of Hamilton no matter what. Bringing more cars behind into play is also good for RB, the more risk the better.ME4ME wrote: ↑11 Dec 2021, 22:59Hm I don't think they did. No idea why they ran the Softs on friday, but regarding the other two points, Horner said they were concerned about track evolution with Max. And Sergio.. he didn't have the pace. He was 9th or 10th on the mediums and they had to put him on softs to secure a place in Q3.
Max lap was incredible. So credit to him.
It really didn't look like Red Bull had the pace until Q3.
So they might've over-achieved, which could mean everything will be back to normal tomorrow and Mercedes will have the upper hand.
What it also could mean, is that somehow the track rubbering in and the temperatures came to Red Bull. Possibly the extra grip on-track benefitted their low-df setup (or at least rear wing). Best case: that advantage continues right away tomorrow. Alternativly, if it was the temperature that helped RB it might help them at the end of the race (although the race is an hour earlier that Q was today).
Who knows .. maybe if they think that the Softs and the right temperature will give them an advantage of serveral tenths, as was the case in Q3, they could put Max on another set of Softs at the end. S-H-S strategy.
Whatever happens, it will be absolutely crucial that Max stays ahead at the start and can drive sufficiently fast long enough to create a pit-window. This is going to be hard, imo. As we saw in Q2, which in my opinion reflects this weekends relative performance the best, the gaps were tiny and many cars were competitive. I don't think its going to be easy for Max to put 25+ seconds on them, given that the Softs won't go very long. Bottas surely is Red Bulls biggest strategic headache.
Slo Poke wrote: ↑12 Dec 2021, 08:33As I also feel a little Feisty, does anyone know at all why Pirelli have upped tyre pressures this race? I mean, have all teams been properly notified? Was it about a week or so after blaming debris and kerbing they decided the Baku failures were due to Standing Waves?
I would have thought after the Spa failures that Pirelli might have made known to all teams, this race, that turn nine is highly suspected capable of procuring said waves. I wouldn’t want to realise, after the failure of a rear left tyre on Max Verstappen’s car, what with all of the ingredients present around the Abu Dhabi track, that RedBull were not cautioned at all! I mean, I wondered at the time why the mercs were slow at Baku.
CongratulationsSlo Poke wrote: ↑09 Mar 2021, 16:40Wouter:Wouter wrote: ↑09 Mar 2021, 15:12
@Slo Poke, you say that RBR has this. How can we believe that after you've written this?
Why are you so secretive and don't just say how you got that information?
Slo Poke wrote: ↑08 Mar 2021, 18:20
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LM10:
I have no kind of direct or indirect connection to either RedBull Racing or Honda, other than being the provider of the level playing field we are all about to witness.
You can also consider me the inventor of it, no matter what lies Brackely, Brixworth or Stuttgart have, or may choose to offer.
Directly after the Austrian race last year, I sent in to RedBull Racing information pertaining to an invention that I created. No-one else created it, I did. That is how I know the Honda engine and the electrification of it will, coupled with Mr. Newey’s supremacy with chassis’s, provide you and I with proper formula one racing this year.
Now! The invention was originally sent in to Brackely two races prior to end of 2013 mainly because I became very seriously ill and in desperation I unloaded to them, for which I received a ‘now piss off’ reply. I think I’m right to help out RedBull Honda as both are Competitors and not posers and I wish them well.
As for the radio exchange Bono to Russell. What’s actually happening there is when Bono says switch magic on, the magic is no longer in operation. Then when Bono says switch magic off the magic is actually working. It’s a mislead, a hoodwink concocted to keep what they have to themselves. Trouble is I know all about it. I’ll give you this, it’s a method construed to preserve rubber.
Later this year when RedBull Honda have mathematically sewn up the championship I’ll divulge it all. Until then please feel absolutely free to mock, sneer, jeer and laugh out loud as much as you are able to or want, I don’t give a jot.
Tell please your secrets, we waited for them since March 
