Italian GP 2010 - Monza

[forty-two]

WARNING: SOME PEOPLE MAY FIND THE FOLLOWING DISTURBING

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9I7FE2X ... r_embedded[/youtube]

Bloody luck he is still alive, and the team is still in F1 for that.

Does anyone have a different link for this clip? Bernie's gnomes have had this one taken down on copyright grounds (seems stupid to me since it's more publicity for Bernie's show!)?

[FW17]

Does anyone have a different link for this clip? Bernie's gnomes have had this one taken down on copyright grounds (seems stupid to me since it's more publicity for Bernie's show!)?

I think this was taken by someone in the stands and posted by Youtube

[marcush.]

a lot of pressure on the loolipop man ..kolles warriors usually are top notch seasoned guys ..so a bit strange what happened there..
usually the first thing you learn in the pits is to do your job and NOTHING else unless you are odered to do so by YOUR Chief...so i go with 747h ..communcication error lollipop man not informed about some additional guy at the car + distraction because of the tyrepotentially obstructing the exit ...he just did not have enough perpherial view to notice..poor guys.

for sure i don ot understand why Vettel did not finish the race in the pit lane serving his stop and crossing the finish line in the pits...this would have brought him a massive saving in time as he basically would have had only a few meters to go on pit lane limit whereas the way he did it he still had a full length pitstop for no real reason..do they know the regs? or have i missed an important point there?
For Petrov it maybe that renault box is just after the finish line..? i sometimes got the impression the guys at the wall do not really 100% understand the sporting regs and fail toextract all out of them.Vettel did come out very good ..but it could have been even clearer .

[ell66]

such a shame about hamilton, allthough it was his fault, he was awfully unlucky.
i really do believe he's of been challenging for the win.
did you see how fast he slipstreamed the cars in red out of he frst corner? and h didnt get bettr traction out of there either.

[ecapox]

for sure i don ot understand why Vettel did not finish the race in the pit lane serving his stop and crossing the finish line in the pits...this would have brought him a massive saving in time as he basically would have had only a few meters to go on pit lane limit whereas the way he did it he still had a full length pitstop for no real reason..do they know the regs? or have i missed an important point there?

I think, and i am not 100% sure of this, that you need to complete 1 full racing lap on each set of tires. If he would have done as you stated, and i thought when i was watching it, he wouldnt have completed one "racing" lap.

[fausto cedros]

Hi everybody!
Just came back from the race and wanted to share my sensations.
First of all, i think that it's not right to blame Button's race against Alonso's. The race was basically won by the spaniard at the pits, where Ferrari men were superb. Alonso had some pace left in the car while i guess Button was on the edge from the start (i was at the first chicane and every lap noticed button locking the front right tyre, none from Alonso neither Massa). Alonso couldn't have in any case attempted anything to overtake Button, or so it seemed.
The only direct clash btw Alonso and Button was at the start, when Jenson kept the foot to the floor notwithstanding the intimidating move from the spaniard, and at the pit exit, when he was so wise to back off and not ruin his and Alonso's race.
The pit call was not an easy one, soft tyres where maybe a little more stressed on button's car as i said before, and being the leaders, they couldn't make the move at the same time as Alonso which, in my opinion, could have been the only way to get away with it. Just remember that ferrari played the all in with the engines, and they have no new units left...i am looking forward to see them behaving at interlagos.

The Hamilton's chapter is the most alarming to me (i do not make any mistery about being a McLaren supporter, but i try to be honest).
The sensation i have is that there's something going on between the tech team and the drivers.
I mean, button had an easy car to be driven, got a deserved second place with a very good drive, and still felt to blame the team for the pit call. Hamilton felt uneasy with the car, especially under braking, due to the nonexistent downforce setup consequent to the f-duct removal.I feel like he could have made this clear to the engineers, but must have been told to stick with it.
As a result, in qualifying i saw him sideways and locked under braking at turn one in the good lap, this resulting in the 5th place overall, but still had the car to win the race in my opinion due to ultrahigh speed along the straights.
Then the start,the race looked beautifully after the first corner with webber behind and Button ahead.And, suddenly, the suicide move. I think that it's something partly due to the increasing frustration in his relations with the engineers,his mistrust. The car was certainly a tricky set one, but the engineer had faith in his mastery and wisdom. His mistrust just dispersed both.
He has to work a lot on his relationship with the team, if he wants to win the wdc.
A little more discipline would help.
And I would not be so easy in writing Button chances off by now.

[donskar]

Wow! I got up at 0600 to watch the race live, then came to work this morning to review the comments here. What a disappointment!

So many, many comments on the HRT incident. OK, there have been a number of accidents in the pits the past couple years. It WAS an accident, and HRT was fined, and -- MOST important -- the technician was not seriously hurt.

FAR too much on Hamilton-Massa incident. BTW: Hamilton DID take responsibility for the coming together. That was a sporting and mature thing to do. His comments (quoted a few pages ago) about contributing to the team's success show a new level of maturity from him. I have a heightened respect for Hamilton (but still hope he loses!

As to the race: excellent performance by Alonso, and Massa did well to stay close to the fight and to get more points for the team. I found many of the comments here about Massa to be childish and shameful. He is a highly competent F1 driver who has won several races and proven himself to be winner and - more important -- a good loser. As to Alonso, his reputation will always be clouded, but he is fast and determined. I hope his engine situation does not hamper his ability to compete.

We now approach the end of the season with a good chance for a highly competitive fight for both WDC and WCC. All three leading teams and five of their drivers still have a real chance.

[komninosm]

for sure i don ot understand why Vettel did not finish the race in the pit lane serving his stop and crossing the finish line in the pits...this would have brought him a massive saving in time as he basically would have had only a few meters to go on pit lane limit whereas the way he did it he still had a full length pitstop for no real reason..do they know the regs? or have i missed an important point there?

I think, and i am not 100% sure of this, that you need to complete 1 full racing lap on each set of tires. If he would have done as you stated, and i thought when i was watching it, he wouldnt have completed one "racing" lap.

Can someone check the rules on this Shoemaker stunt? (I thought the same thing when watching the race)
Do you guys think they should remove the rule about having to use both tire compounds? I find it silly and I hope next year we get tires more like the ones they had in the 90s. A B C D was nice. Refueling should also come back. More strategies then, not just 1 pit-stop. You can do more and take advantage of light fuel load, something that you can't do this year. It sucks that hard and soft tires seem to be almost just as fast and no refueling makes it even worse for differing strategies as I showed.

[Steven]

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Does anyone have a different link for this clip? Bernie's gnomes have had this one taken down on copyright grounds (seems stupid to me since it's more publicity for Bernie's show!)?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eF7Yg2zJcpc[/youtube]

[WhiteBlue]

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/09/d ... -decision/

Very nice analysis of the game changing pit stop for Button.

[Pierce89]

Forza Fred!!! Forza Ferrari!!
But, as an Anti-Hamilton fan I have to say: Lewis impressed me with the way he owned up to his stupid crash. Maybe his personality is now on the road to respectability. I hope so. I hate the fact that such a wonderful driver has acted so childish(over the years, not at Monza) that I can't cheer for him.
hopefully he's trying to grow up now and I can quit hating him.

[hollus]

It might have been almost impossible to defend, but truth is that Button almost stayed ahead. It almost worked, pitting first. If Ferrari had pitted Massa, and they could have done this at a time of their choosing after seeing that Button didn't pit, Button would have to pit in maximum 3 laps or be passed by Massa. Less than 3 laps if backmarkers got in the mix. Then Alonso could have pitted later at a time of his choosing, or earlier, again after seeing whether Button pitted or not. With Massa ahead, likely button would have had a "dirty" parabolica and lose second position as well...
As it was, Mclaren almost saved the first position.

[marcush.]

for sure i don ot understand why Vettel did not finish the race in the pit lane serving his stop and crossing the finish line in the pits...this would have brought him a massive saving in time as he basically would have had only a few meters to go on pit lane limit whereas the way he did it he still had a full length pitstop for no real reason..do they know the regs? or have i missed an important point there?

I think, and i am not 100% sure of this, that you need to complete 1 full racing lap on each set of tires. If he would have done as you stated, and i thought when i was watching it, he wouldnt have completed one "racing" lap.

the wording in the FIA regs is:

25.4

e)Unless he has used intermediate or wet-weather tyres during the race, each driver must use at least one set of each specification of dry-weather tyres during the race.

so to me it would be sufficient to use the second choice of tyre to cross the finish line...

I wonder if that strategy would not have been the win for Button,as alonso would have had to chew up his rubber to try and get Button ...and Button would not have had to trundle alon pitlane at slow speed.

[Rino]

I hate the fact that such a wonderful driver has acted so childish

What about Fred's whining in Valencia and Germany...remember: "This si ridikules!"
So mature...give me a brake...

[manchild]

RS: Felipe, Hamilton is behind you and he is leading the championship. You should check your brakes.

FM: Brakes are ok, no problem with them.

RS: I meant that should "check" your brakes, do you understand?

FM: I get it, my foot slipped from the throttle and accidentally hit brake pedal.

RS: Good boy. BTW, Hamilton is out.

FM: How, why?