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mendis wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 16:14I wouldn't expect team to come out openly about it.Quantum wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 16:11Was Hamilton part of the decision process for softs? If so, he owns this.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 15:53This race has to be omitted from the Mercedes team battle. The team absolutely screwed Lewis out of this one! What a clownish display... Softs! Did they expect him to jump two of the fastest cars and hold them behind for 30 laps?! Crazy.
I doubted it, but now I'm firmly in the camp that Mercedes are leaning the table towards George over Lewis each race.
after Russell came over the radio saying Lewis should probably go faster he was told to slow down, think of the long term and to start managing his tires because he was already starting to destroy themmendis wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 16:18Russell was stuck behind him as it's not possible to overtake early in the race, hoping Ham would push, which he never did. As he simply didn't have any pace later in the stint and blocking Russsell, he had to be pulled in.
Sainz is a bang average nobody in F1 terms, hence why he’s heading to the abyss at Williams. Hamilton won’t consistently crash or have the woeful race pace that Sainz does, so there’s no worries of being told to move over for Leclerc, like your anti ham post is trying to make.Quantum wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 16:21
They do every race on the post race vids. If it's a "we decided" thing, then everyone carries the can.
Lewis is part of the process for his race strategies.
What I would be more concerned about if I was a Lewis fan, is Carlos being told to move over for Leclerc.
The clock is ticking to that that ticking time bomb next year.
Yes, I was actually expecting one of the top drivers to try it, mostly Max since he would have a real chance of taking the lead into turn one with that tyre. But they likely knew that McLaren was too fast and decided to protect P2 to be safe. Always hard for P3 to do anything at the start here since he is boxed in in at T1.Hammerfist wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 16:18Yeah that’s a good point. Maybe they thought Lando or whoever was in the lead was going to drive way off the pace and they could survive on softs. Honestly I thought it would play out like that too and I was wrong. I can understand their mistake more now.Tvetovnato wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 16:10It could only work if the race was a carbon copy of last year, ie driving slowly to not open an undercut attempt. With a straight race like this it was always gonna end in a disaster…
ThisPlatinumZealot wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 16:17Hamilton has faith in the strategists who are handsomely paid to give him the best chance of taking maximum points. Lewis is definitely not a guy who tries to swing strategies to any great extent. He might complain after the fact, but he rarely impresses his own strat ideas onto Bono and team. Today was one of those times where he should have questioned them the moment they come up with that shyte idea.
He was on a different strategyQuantum wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 16:21
They do every race on the post race vids. If it's a "we decided" thing, then everyone carries the can.
Lewis is part of the process for his race strategies.
What I would be more concerned about if I was a Lewis fan, is Carlos being told to move over for Leclerc.
The clock is ticking to that that ticking time bomb next year.
Thats the part that’s illogical, all they needed to do (and what it appeared initially) was after the 1st couple of corners is leave NOR & VER to it, and HAM becomes the head of the usual, slow Singapore snake. He could’ve kept them all compressed, its Singers after all - tough to get past when some basic, defensive driving is employed regardless of extra DRS.mendis wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 16:18It appears as if Ham realized after 1st corner that he has no chance of chasing Max and Lando, so he decided to simply cruise as he knew his softs won't last long. Russell was stuck behind him as it's not possible to overtake early in the race, hoping Ham would push, which he never did. As he simply didn't have any pace later in the stint and blocking Russsell, he had to be pulled in. That slow first stint probably helped Leclerc!
What's anti Ham?DGP123 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 16:24Sainz is a bang average nobody in F1 terms, hence why he’s heading to the abyss at Williams. Hamilton won’t consistently crash or have the woeful race pace that Sainz does, so there’s no worries of being told to move over for Leclerc, like your anti ham post is trying to make.Quantum wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 16:21
They do every race on the post race vids. If it's a "we decided" thing, then everyone carries the can.
Lewis is part of the process for his race strategies.
What I would be more concerned about if I was a Lewis fan, is Carlos being told to move over for Leclerc.
The clock is ticking to that that ticking time bomb next year.
Spoutnik wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 16:26He was on a different strategyQuantum wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 16:21
They do every race on the post race vids. If it's a "we decided" thing, then everyone carries the can.
Lewis is part of the process for his race strategies.
What I would be more concerned about if I was a Lewis fan, is Carlos being told to move over for Leclerc.
The clock is ticking to that that ticking time bomb next year.
And Carlos since 2/3 months is not matching the pace of Charles so...
At Mercedes you've got Russell treated as the absolute number 1 like a 10 times WDC... While he's not that much fast than Hamilton lets say
I dont know what Sainz moving over for Leclerc has to do with Lewis, Leclerc was one of the fastest cars on track closing in on the Mercs. Charles had 19 lap fresher hards than Lewis and 23 lap newer than Sainz. in no world was Sainz going to be a challenge for Charles so they just had him move over once he caught upQuantum wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 16:28What's anti Ham?DGP123 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 16:24Sainz is a bang average nobody in F1 terms, hence why he’s heading to the abyss at Williams. Hamilton won’t consistently crash or have the woeful race pace that Sainz does, so there’s no worries of being told to move over for Leclerc, like your anti ham post is trying to make.Quantum wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 16:21
They do every race on the post race vids. If it's a "we decided" thing, then everyone carries the can.
Lewis is part of the process for his race strategies.
What I would be more concerned about if I was a Lewis fan, is Carlos being told to move over for Leclerc.
The clock is ticking to that that ticking time bomb next year.
Is he not part of his own race strategy calls? That's a big assertion there.
Or was Sainz not told to move over for Leclerc? That will be Hamilton next year in that circumstance. I think Hamilton fans should ready themselves for these things and that's not being negative. It literally happened today.
No. That was the issue in 2022... even when Sainz was very far from Leclerc there was no team ordersQuantum wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 16:31Spoutnik wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 16:26He was on a different strategyQuantum wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 16:21
They do every race on the post race vids. If it's a "we decided" thing, then everyone carries the can.
Lewis is part of the process for his race strategies.
What I would be more concerned about if I was a Lewis fan, is Carlos being told to move over for Leclerc.
The clock is ticking to that that ticking time bomb next year.
And Carlos since 2/3 months is not matching the pace of Charles so...
At Mercedes you've got Russell treated as the absolute number 1 like a 10 times WDC... While he's not that much fast than Hamilton lets say
All I'm saying is be prepared for these calls.
Lewis will be taking Sainz seat. And will find himself in these situations. Pretty straightforward.Luscion wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 16:32I dont know what Sainz moving over for Leclerc has to do with Lewis, Leclerc was one of the fastest cars on track closing in on the Mercs. Charles had 19 lap fresher hards than Lewis and 23 lap newer than Sainz. in no world was Sainz going to be a challenge for Charles so they just had him move over once he caught upQuantum wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 16:28What's anti Ham?DGP123 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 16:24
Sainz is a bang average nobody in F1 terms, hence why he’s heading to the abyss at Williams. Hamilton won’t consistently crash or have the woeful race pace that Sainz does, so there’s no worries of being told to move over for Leclerc, like your anti ham post is trying to make.
Is he not part of his own race strategy calls? That's a big assertion there.
Or was Sainz not told to move over for Leclerc? That will be Hamilton next year in that circumstance. I think Hamilton fans should ready themselves for these things and that's not being negative. It literally happened today.
No, there was no such radio call as I was watching Russell's onboard. They wanted him to manage the tyres, as with everyone else, not because he was destroying them.Luscion wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 16:22after Russell came over the radio saying Lewis should probably go faster he was told to slow down, think of the long term and to start managing his tires because he was already starting to destroy them