[ 2020 ] Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

[SmallSoldier]

Key is obviously not going to say that they have achieved significant aero advantage because of engine change for obvious reasons cos other teams would cry horse. Having said that a chassis is designed from scratch with an engine in mind so obviously there will have to be compromises made here n there.

McLaren will gain, in addition from engine itself is better weight distribution. There will be aero gains because of compact nature of Mercedes PU but it in my opinion it is more than what Key is admitting publicly but still less than what could have been if the chassis had been designed freshly from scratch.

So you're expecting McLaren to be on average .5 seconds faster in quali than Renault next year?

There isn’t much of a difference between the Renault and Mercedes engine anymore in terms of power. Certainly not half a second.

But there is definitely a power difference that should have an effect, 1-2 tenths maybe? If there is also additional benefits from better COG it could also bring a little more performance... And that’s considering actual performance of the engines and not the improvements all manufacturers have made through the year.

The biggest benefit on paper will probably be on the reliability, when even though Renault has been way better than in previous seasons, Mercedes is probably still leading them in reliability.

Next season, how teams will tackle the new floors will probably be more important than the engine... With such a loss of downforce at the back of the cars, whomever gets an advantage there will probably make a jump up the order.


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[diffuser]

So you're expecting McLaren to be on average .5 seconds faster in quali than Renault next year?

There isn’t much of a difference between the Renault and Mercedes engine anymore in terms of power. Certainly not half a second.

But there is definitely a power difference that should have an effect, 1-2 tenths maybe? If there is also additional benefits from better COG it could also bring a little more performance... And that’s considering actual performance of the engines and not the improvements all manufacturers have made through the year.

The biggest benefit on paper will probably be on the reliability, when even though Renault has been way better than in previous seasons, Mercedes is probably still leading them in reliability.

Next season, how teams will tackle the new floors will probably be more important than the engine... With such a loss of downforce at the back of the cars, whomever gets an advantage there will probably make a jump up the order.


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I think there is a 60% chance they are further behind Renault at the start of next year.

They have to do more with less.

[SmallSoldier]

There isn’t much of a difference between the Renault and Mercedes engine anymore in terms of power. Certainly not half a second.

But there is definitely a power difference that should have an effect, 1-2 tenths maybe? If there is also additional benefits from better COG it could also bring a little more performance... And that’s considering actual performance of the engines and not the improvements all manufacturers have made through the year.

The biggest benefit on paper will probably be on the reliability, when even though Renault has been way better than in previous seasons, Mercedes is probably still leading them in reliability.

Next season, how teams will tackle the new floors will probably be more important than the engine... With such a loss of downforce at the back of the cars, whomever gets an advantage there will probably make a jump up the order.


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I think there is a 60% chance they are further behind Renault at the start of next year.

They have to do more with less.

I wouldn’t dare to make a prediction for next year... Yes, the expectation is that not having those 2 tokens will be a handicap, but after reviewing the list of items that can be modified by the tokens and how many tokens are needed for each item, it isn’t like the rest of the teams will show up with a huge performance improvement from the use of their tokens... Who knows, teams may use of those tokens “in the wrong areas”.

I would also be more concerned by Racing Point (Aston Martin) than Renault next season... They not only have 2 tokens available, but they are getting this year’s Mercedes suspension, which is already an upgrade over what they already have... Therefore been able to use those 2 tokens somewhere else for additional benefit.

In regards to how much performance Mclaren could get next season, at this point is impossible to know and probably a futile exercise since whatever improvement they make will be meaningful only when compared to the other teams improvements... Assuming that Mclaren may gain a couple tenths from the engine change alone isn’t far fetched, it is the most powerful engine in the grid and probably the better packaged of them all, so even though Mclaren won’t take advantage of the package, it isn’t compromising them and their aero philosophy, how much can the rest of the grid gain with only 2 tokens is still to be seeing.

I do hope that the new concept they are introducing this season ends up providing the performance improvement they expect... Next year, whichever car they bring to testing will probably be the same car that will compete in Abu Dhabi at the end of that season... Mclaren will provide divert all of their resources towards 2022 very early in the season and won’t be investing too much time and effort into developing the MCL35B


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[Ground Effect]

Does anyone know if McLaren carried out any significant suspension work on the car this year, or are they allowed to make modifications on that during the off season?

[blastdoman]

How good or bad are we doing regarding possible PU penalties for the last four remaining races? How are we comparing with RP and Renault? I think it can be a decisive factor to get the third place.

[Big Tea]

There isn’t much of a difference between the Renault and Mercedes engine anymore in terms of power. Certainly not half a second.

But there is definitely a power difference that should have an effect, 1-2 tenths maybe? If there is also additional benefits from better COG it could also bring a little more performance... And that’s considering actual performance of the engines and not the improvements all manufacturers have made through the year.

The biggest benefit on paper will probably be on the reliability, when even though Renault has been way better than in previous seasons, Mercedes is probably still leading them in reliability.

Next season, how teams will tackle the new floors will probably be more important than the engine... With such a loss of downforce at the back of the cars, whomever gets an advantage there will probably make a jump up the order.


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I think there is a 60% chance they are further behind Renault at the start of next year.

They have to do more with less.

Luckily, there should be more 'low hanging fruit' due to the change. It should be easier to catch up by getting the 'easier' problems sorted quickly

[diffuser]

But there is definitely a power difference that should have an effect, 1-2 tenths maybe? If there is also additional benefits from better COG it could also bring a little more performance... And that’s considering actual performance of the engines and not the improvements all manufacturers have made through the year.

The biggest benefit on paper will probably be on the reliability, when even though Renault has been way better than in previous seasons, Mercedes is probably still leading them in reliability.

Next season, how teams will tackle the new floors will probably be more important than the engine... With such a loss of downforce at the back of the cars, whomever gets an advantage there will probably make a jump up the order.


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I think there is a 60% chance they are further behind Renault at the start of next year.

They have to do more with less.

Luckily, there should be more 'low hanging fruit' due to the change. It should be easier to catch up by getting the 'easier' problems sorted quickly

There is also a sliding scale with wind tunnel time starting next year. The higher up you finish, less wind tunnel time you get.
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Merc should be force to use a Dyson fan!

[Big Tea]

I think there is a 60% chance they are further behind Renault at the start of next year.

They have to do more with less.

Luckily, there should be more 'low hanging fruit' due to the change. It should be easier to catch up by getting the 'easier' problems sorted quickly

There is also a sliding scale with wind tunnel time starting next year. The higher up you finish, less wind tunnel time you get.
!
Merc should be force to use a Dyson fan!

Don't give them Ideas, now!!!

[diffuser]

Luckily, there should be more 'low hanging fruit' due to the change. It should be easier to catch up by getting the 'easier' problems sorted quickly

There is also a sliding scale with wind tunnel time starting next year. The higher up you finish, less wind tunnel time you get.
!
Merc should be force to use a Dyson fan!

Don't give them Ideas, now!!!

The sliding scale with the wind tunnel is no Joke. The Dyson Fan thing was.

[Big Tea]

There is also a sliding scale with wind tunnel time starting next year. The higher up you finish, less wind tunnel time you get.
!
Merc should be force to use a Dyson fan!

Don't give them Ideas, now!!!

The sliding scale with the wind tunnel is no Joke. The Dyson Fan thing was.

I bet people thought that about Brabham, Yeh I guessed, so was the reply

[godlameroso]

The McLaren better be prepared to throw on tons of front wing on their car otherwise they're going to struggle massively. This track doesn't like it when your car understeers, particularly sector 3.

[Chicane]

McLaren must seek “smallest gains” in qualifying to fight for third

https://www.racefans.net/2020/11/06/mcl ... for-third/

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This is where i feel Ricciardo will make that difference next season for McLaren like he is doing for Renault now.

[diffuser]

McLaren must seek “smallest gains” in qualifying to fight for third

https://www.racefans.net/2020/11/06/mcl ... for-third/

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This is where i feel Ricciardo will make that difference next season for McLaren like he is doing for Renault now.

I think it will be interesting to see how Norris does against Ricciardo.

[godlameroso]

They'll be close in qualifying, in the race, Norris is still a bit inconsistent. He has the skills to stomp Sainz into the ground but he doesn't. He got passed in Imola and although he could keep up, he didn't do more than damage limitation.

[Big Tea]

They'll be close in qualifying, in the race, Norris is still a bit inconsistent. He has the skills to stomp Sainz into the ground but he doesn't. He got passed in Imola and although he could keep up, he didn't do more than damage limitation.

I think in race Ric 75% Nor 25%. Qualli, probably close to that % too.
Not Anti Norris, just don't think he was either as good as we thought or did not develop.
Still useful, but don't see him in the running for champion, unless a car change suits him