Scuderia Ferrari 2012

[Goran2812]

Ferrari are going down... I just don't see them coming up the order after this test, or even after Barcelona... They're stuck with that acer crap and are holding on to it and can't let go... argh... -.-

[donskar]

ok so we are talking the team.

i know Nicolas Todt is Massa's agent.

How Massa got the drive in the first place is beyond me however i understand politics.

Felipe Massa is no quicker than Pedro De La Rosa, he has lucked into good cars and won races, given bad cars and done nothing.

my point is this fraud should be nowhere near a Ferrari F1 seat. To push this team forward they need to bin the second most overrated brazilian (Rubens being number 1) and get a competent, reliable and fast driver in to push Alonso, otherwise Ferrari are going to end up like the early 90's shower of piss they were

joke of a driver

If you're a troll, please go away.
If you're serious, please seek professional counseling.

[ForMuLaOne]

ok so we are talking the team.

i know Nicolas Todt is Massa's agent.

How Massa got the drive in the first place is beyond me however i understand politics.

Felipe Massa is no quicker than Pedro De La Rosa, he has lucked into good cars and won races, given bad cars and done nothing.

my point is this fraud should be nowhere near a Ferrari F1 seat. To push this team forward they need to bin the second most overrated brazilian (Rubens being number 1) and get a competent, reliable and fast driver in to push Alonso, otherwise Ferrari are going to end up like the early 90's shower of piss they were

joke of a driver

If you're a troll, please go away.
If you're serious, please seek professional counseling.

If you`re a psychiatrist, change your profession. He`s quite right.

[bhall]

I think being the #2 driver at Ferrari is probably the toughest assignment for any driver in F1. You've got to have considerable talent, else you won't even make it through the door. You've also got to be willing to shoulder the colossal burden of driving for the most iconic marque in racing, which is no small feat, considering the team's rich history and its enormous popularity. The role is fraught with sometimes unreasonable expectations.

Perhaps most significantly, you've got to be wiling to go against the best driver in the world as your teammate. When the Scuderia places a driver in its first car, they don't mess around with anyone other than the very best, and they pour their considerable resources almost completely into that corner. The #2 guy has to be willing to confront that challenge with only his "attachments" and his engineer as support.

Considering the hurdles placed before Massa over the last few years, I have nothing but respect for the man, because he's carried himself with a dignity often lost on other prima donna drivers who don't have nearly the amount of pressure upon their shoulders. Though he may falter on-track, he never even so much as stumbles off-track.

He's earned his spot.

[mx_tifoso]

Whether he's earned his spot or not doesn't quite matter to me anymore, he's faltering on the race track session after session, he can't go anywhere near Alonso in the same car. I'd love for him to be able to, but that's just not the case in his current phase.

So having had him on board for two mediocre seasons now has cost Ferrari tons of points and millions of euros. They need someone who can get a lot closer to Alonso, if not beat him. That way they'll surely improve in the constructors championship and have a better chance of winning the one for drivers.

I'm just tired of feeling bad for him, as it must be getting very awkard for all of the parties involved.

And this just proves that it's not just about the car, as the disparity between these two drivers is more than sufficient proof of what can be done in not-so-great machinery.

[bhall]

Oh, I agree that it's probably best for both parties that Massa be released to drive elsewhere. Ferrari needs a more consistent presence, and Massa needs to get out of the pressure cooker, so to speak, because that's the best chance he has to rediscover his form.

I just don't like seeing his name ignorantly derided for no real reason.

[Pierce89]

I think being the #2 driver at Ferrari is probably the toughest assignment for any driver in F1. You've got to have considerable talent, else you won't even make it through the door. You've also got to be willing to shoulder the colossal burden of driving for the most iconic marque in racing, which is no small feat, considering the team's rich history and its enormous popularity. The role is fraught with sometimes unreasonable expectations.

Perhaps most significantly, you've got to be wiling to go against the best driver in the world as your teammate. When the Scuderia places a driver in its first car, they don't mess around with anyone other than the very best, and they pour their considerable resources almost completely into that corner. The #2 guy has to be willing to confront that challenge with only his "attachments" and his engineer as support.

Considering the hurdles placed before Massa over the last few years, I have nothing but respect for the man, because he's carried himself with a dignity often lost on other prima donna drivers who don't have nearly the amount of pressure upon their shoulders. Though he may falter on-track, he never even so much as stumbles off-track.

He's earned his spot.

+1. Even though the time has come for Massa to move on, I still have MASSIVE RESPECT for his dedication to "my" Scuderia. I will always remember,fondly, the incredible roller coaster of a season he had in 2008. He proved then he has the talent. Massa's problem is that Alonso's switch is permanently set to "beast mode".

[Chuckjr]

Certainly he deserves respect and he was great in his prime. Time to move on though. No question.

They should sign Webber. That would be brilliant.

[mx_tifoso]

Oh yeah, I also believe that he deserves respect. But his time is over, that's what needs to be given attention. Ferrari need another top driver, either up and coming or already established.

Alonso is a single man who is willing to give his life to the Scuderia, and as has been mentioned; "beast mode" is fully engaged.

[alogoc]

not the prettiest execution of this solution.... the Ferrari design crew seems totally lost.... they spent 8 monyhs designing the orriginal concept and now they are hanging their hats on a rush job...

and we will win in BCN!

[zyphro]

My intention is not trolling, but Ferrari need Ross Brawn and Schumacher back. Alonso can continue trying to make himself a team-leader but deep down he won't replicate what Schumacher was able to do; that was just special.

[.poz]

My intention is not trolling, but Ferrari need Ross Brawn and Schumacher back.

Look at where Merc with Brawn and Schumacher is now...

Ferrari needs private tests back or to seriously improve their CFD and wind tunnel know how. Since private test are and will be illegal they are trying the second one.

If private tests were legal we will have seen today's upgrades in Bahrain race.
(i hope last sentence grammar is correct.. )

[banibhusan]

Alonso just said in an interview that the initial feeling is good and they seem to be able to confirm that their upgrades are working on track as expected. Some positive sign finally.

[zyphro]

My intention is not trolling, but Ferrari need Ross Brawn and Schumacher back.

Look at where Merc with Brawn and Schumacher is now...

Not quite sure if you're trying to make that out as a good or bad thing?

[elFranZ]

My intention is not trolling, but Ferrari need Ross Brawn and Schumacher back.

Look at where Merc with Brawn and Schumacher is now...

Not quite sure if you're trying to make that out as a good or bad thing?

The second, I believe.
Because, you know, that era has gone, and won't come back.
I wonder why people do not recognize that during the last three years Ferrari has changed a lot. Old school going away, new faces, an entire structure to rebuild. Then add some WT disaster, and ask yourself were they should really be. Not 10 points away from the leader in WDC for sure. Instead they're still here, because when people were blaming the acer ducts, they've started making the fastest pit stops I remember. And managed to win on wet by a perfect set up.
The truth is that winning is difficult, ask Michael and Ross...