Technical Regulations for 2009-2015

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db__ wrote:Possible reduction in race distance or duration (proposal to follow market research).
Market research? What for? It will be the same story like with medal system… Bernie, please find yourself new hobby…

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I don’t think £30m is that far from the right figure, for a Revenue budget.

Of course the capital costs to set up a team (factory equipment etc) would need to be excluded from this figure, but with ‘teams’ for sale at less than £60m this still isn’t an insurmountable amount (Given a very rich investor).

Of course there’s the option to get an existing team or manufacturer (Prodrive, Dallara, Lola, Formtech) to build the car, this might bring the capital costs down to around tenth of that.

Up until now a small team budget is estimated at £40m, is you drop a lot of highly paid engineers and the running costs for design and manufacturing kit, this sounds reasonable.

Does f1technical.net have a millions reader each with thirty pounds (or 30 with a million pounds?), Lets go racing!

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scarbs wrote:I don’t think £30m is that far from the right figure, for a Revenue budget.

Of course the capital costs to set up a team (factory equipment etc) would need to be excluded from this figure, but with ‘teams’ for sale at less than £60m this still isn’t an insurmountable amount (Given a very rich investor).

Of course there’s the option to get an existing team or manufacturer (Prodrive, Dallara, Lola, Formtech) to build the car, this might bring the capital costs down to around tenth of that.

Up until now a small team budget is estimated at £40m, is you drop a lot of highly paid engineers and the running costs for design and manufacturing kit, this sounds reasonable.

Does f1technical.net have a millions reader each with thirty pounds (or 30 with a million pounds?), Lets go racing!
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Scarbs, do you have any example prices of general yearly development of engines etc?
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I don't believe it, all of the expensive drivers will walk! I think Kimi's salary is in the £30million range anyway...maybe he can just run round the track?

Autosport said something about profits going to people who have shares in the company..will we see the drivers taking chunks of the company so they can get large wages?

I like the idea of development but what can you do with (only) £30million considering you need to pay for factories, team sallery, transport, drivers wages, engines-gearbox - there will be only coppers left for development. So many people will lose their job.

It's a step in the right direction but i think improvements can still be made.

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Max said much bigger KERS capacity for the cap teams, I can really dig that.

Ferrari would never join the cap so KIMI can keep stealing his huge salary for under performing.

The cap is for small teams or new ones.

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I wonder whether or not the big teams will feel it prudent to keep running the salaries that are nearly 10x bigger though...they may be pressured by higher-ups to go to the £30mil.
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Scotracer wrote:I've always wanted a budget cap but 30mil is FAR too low in my opinion. Isn't the "test cap" 175mil Euros this year?
well, I guess they'll be testing around the block from the factory. run a few red lights, but hey, the budget can spare $1000 worth of fines here and there.

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maybe the big teams will just run 9 B-teams...

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Guys, on the AS forum people are wondering whether the latest amendments to the rules for 2009 outlaw Williams, Toyota and BGP style diffusers.
Can anyone comment this for the ordinary mortals?
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Dragonfly wrote:Guys, on the AS forum people are wondering whether the latest amendments to the rules for 2009 outlaw Williams, Toyota and BGP style diffusers.
Can anyone comment this for the ordinary mortals?
I guess it's these pieces that they are talking about but I'm not sure if they've changed, they're referring to bodyowrk behind the rear wheels

3.10.1 Any bodywork more than 150mm behind the rear wheel centre line which is between 200mm and 730mm above the reference plane, and between 75mm and 355mm from the car centre line, must lie in an area when viewed from the side of the car that is situated between 150mm and 350mm behind the rear wheel centre line and between 300mm and 400mm above the reference plane. When viewed from the side of the car no longitudinal cross section may have more than one section in this area.

3.10.2 Any bodywork behind a point lying 50mm forward of the rear wheel centre line which is more than 730mm above the reference plane, and between 75mm and 355mm from the car centre line, must lie in an area when viewed from the side of the car that is situated between the rear wheel centre line and a point
350mm behind it. When viewed from the side of the car, no longitudinal cross section may have more than two closed sections in this area.

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Bernie, MR E himself wrote:I want to see pre-qualifying again. I want 26 people on the grid, of which 16 are competitive.
Please, somebody tell me this does not mean the reintroduction of the 107% rule again. Please! I hated that rule.

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jddh1 wrote:
Bernie, MR E himself wrote:I want to see pre-qualifying again. I want 26 people on the grid, of which 16 are competitive.
Please, somebody tell me this does not mean the reintroduction of the 107% rule again. Please! I hated that rule.

Why? just interested.

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I see nothing wromg with that. It's good to have more entries than the starting grid currently allows. And they can prequalify for their spots by lap times order. 107% rule not necessary to be applied.
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Dragonfly wrote:I see nothing wromg with that. It's good to have more entries than the starting grid currently allows. And they can prequalify for their spots by lap times order. 107% rule not necessary to be applied.
I just don't want to have 26 cars travel to Australia and then after a couple of days 4 of them to be told not to race. That would be a waste of money and resources that goes against the spirit of what Bernie is trying to do.

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jddh1 wrote:
Dragonfly wrote:I see nothing wromg with that. It's good to have more entries than the starting grid currently allows. And they can prequalify for their spots by lap times order. 107% rule not necessary to be applied.
I just don't want to have 26 cars travel to Australia and then after a couple of days 4 of them to be told not to race. That would be a waste of money and resources that goes against the spirit of what Bernie is trying to do.
The grids are allowed to be at 24 teams thus far and I believe reading about Max looking into adding 2 more slots for 26 cars. The more cars the better