Red Bull RB6

[marcush.]

so the off line driving to pick up marbels and stuff is just to gain weight?

[Richard]

Hang on a second, why the conspiracy, isn't it common sense?

At the start the car is heavy, the body will be low, with a big gap from tyre to floor, and suspension arms at a high angle. At the end of the race, the car will be light, body will be high, the floor close to the tyre, the suspension arms at a low angle.

Anyway, rather than our conjecture, what we really need is a pic of the rear suspension when the car was fully fuelled on the grid.

[gibells]

Well, that and a picture of the car crossing the line, so we can assess any suspected ride height change.

[twoshots]

As long as the car is going at the same speed in both pictures...you can't compare the ride height with and without aerodynamic downforce.

In park ferme the car is light on fuel and has no aero downforce. Not surprising that is looks much higher than during the race.

[segedunum]

Compare it to the other cars though............ It's entirely subjective right now.

[manchild]

so the off line driving to pick up marbels and stuff is just to gain weight?

Yes. You can often hear radio instructions from the pits to a driver not to forget to pick pieces of rubber. It's an ancient thing in F1.

[marcush.]

so the off line driving to pick up marbels and stuff is just to gain weight?

Yes. You can often hear radio instructions from the pits to a driver not to forget to pick pieces of rubber. It's an ancient thing in F1.

hm .I ´d say you are unlikely to pick up more than a few hundred grammes of debris
but over half a kilogramme..? I´m not sure, that sounds a lot to me ...at 0,9 g/cm³
specific weight you would need the equivalent of 1 litre volume to gain a kilo on weight..ok seems possible...so a worthwhile exercise as a little extra insurance on the scales...

[Pedro]

Adrian Newey peeping at F10: "Well, those rims are smart! Damned homologation."

[marcush.]

Adrian Newey peeping at F10: "Well, those rims are smart! Damned homologation."

to me that ferrari looks very low in park ferme..

[autogyro]

They are all very low, apart from the red bull RB6.
Probably because the rest have to use very hard spring rates to compensate for the change in weight from fully fueled to nearly empty, if they do not have a demon ride height system.
Perhaps this is also why the McLaren was so stiff on its springs?
I think the Ferrari was softer and that is I think why Adrian was so interested in it. I would be.

[Just_a_fan]

Adrian Newey peeping at F10: "Well, those rims are smart! Damned homologation."

to me that ferrari looks very low in park ferme..

Ferrari use a pit lane ride height adjustment system that is adjusted at the tyre change I think. So it will be lower than the race start fuel weight might suggest it should be.

[autogyro]

So in that case ride height becomes totaly dependent on when the tyre change is made. Not very good that is it?

[forty-two]

So in that case ride height becomes totaly dependent on when the tyre change is made. Not very good that is it?

+1 If this IS true, the cars had only two different ride heights during the race (one at the start, one at the 1st pitstop), with PERHAPS an additional one made (?? by the driver) before getting out of the car in park ferme?

I therefore think that any team which could come up with a PASSIVE system which automatically cranked the car down as the race went on would have a slight but significant advantage over others.

[thestig84]

Have any of you seen Autosport. Sorry if I have missed it and thats why your talking about it but I think it was Mark Hughes' column. He reckons (like quite a few of you) that they have a passive ride system.

Roughly described as a damper that adjusts to the extra load allowing them to qualify with a low ride height then when weight is added this allows for the extra weight through the race.

Sorry if its not a great description. Just read it quickly in Tescos! It doesnt explain why the car is high in parc ferme. He also spoke to a few other teams that thought its possible and not too hard to implement.

Edit: He started digging around after seeing the the car move over for another car on qualy and scraped along the floor then kerb.

[ringo]

Adrian Newey peeping at F10: "Well, those rims are smart! Damned homologation."

looks like he is assessing the similarities and differences in design with the f10 and rb6.
There must be something he likes about it.