Italian GP 2010 - Monza

[marcush.]

[forty-two]

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Does anyone have a different link for this clip? Bernie's gnomes have had this one taken down on copyright grounds (seems stupid to me since it's more publicity for Bernie's show!)?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eF7Yg2zJcpc[/youtube]

Thanks Tomba!

Poor bloke must never have known what hit him! Watching that clip, I wouldn't have been surprised if I later learnt that it was an internet viral video which was doctored, the speed he hits the deck is frightening!

[komninosm]

for sure i don ot understand why Vettel did not finish the race in the pit lane serving his stop and crossing the finish line in the pits...this would have brought him a massive saving in time as he basically would have had only a few meters to go on pit lane limit whereas the way he did it he still had a full length pitstop for no real reason..do they know the regs? or have i missed an important point there?

I think, and i am not 100% sure of this, that you need to complete 1 full racing lap on each set of tires. If he would have done as you stated, and i thought when i was watching it, he wouldnt have completed one "racing" lap.

the wording in the FIA regs is:

25.4

e)Unless he has used intermediate or wet-weather tyres during the race, each driver must use at least one set of each specification of dry-weather tyres during the race.

so to me it would be sufficient to use the second choice of tyre to cross the finish line...

I wonder if that strategy would not have been the win for Button,as alonso would have had to chew up his rubber to try and get Button ...and Button would not have had to trundle alon pitlane at slow speed.

Which teams have pit-boxes before the finish line and which after it?

[raymondu999]

As I understand it the pitlane exit line is considered the "start" line, is it not?

[747heavy]

As I understand it the pitlane exit line is considered the "start" line, is it not?

This is correct, by the look of the Monza track layout.
The question is, if the start and the finish line is identical here, they are not
on all tracks.

[747heavy]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek7xZE1AImM[/youtube]

[one_o_six]

If I’m allowed to comment, I think the Massa Vs. Hamilton affair is just a joke; Hamilton stated his responsibility, and, honestly, the available videos don’t show any wrong maneuver from Massa (otherwise he would have cut the chicane).
Having watched the race with full attention, I soon got the impression the Ferraris were overall faster than Button, although not enough to overtake him on track. I was sure they would pass him in the pits.
So it happened, but I was waiting for an easier pass.
Button seemed to be faster from Lesmo 2 to the straight before the Parabolica, meaning the Ferrari needed long straights such as the Retifillo to get advantage. This suggested Button had more downforce. The implications of such difference could affect engine reliability and tire wear, but it didn’t seem to me anything would change.
So, as far as Button is concerned, did McLaren lose the race due setup options? I think so.
But could they have opted for less downforce? I don’t know.
As far as Hamilton is concerned, was it the right option to get rid of the f-duct system? I think nobody knows. Qualifying results suggest it wasn’t the best option, but it might have been otherwise.

[DaveKillens]

It's a shame that the accident in the HRT pits mared such a wonderful race. But it's a relief to hear he's OK.

I just loved the Ferrari storyline, it must have played out in an orgasmic crescendo for the tifosi. Well done Fernando and Ferrari. And a well deserved mention to Button for getting the best points result that could be expected.

Finally, finally some very interesting alternate strategies were played out. Jenson ran a very unconvential wing setup, to great success. And the boys at Red Bull proved they can be clever in strategies with Vettel's late pit stop. I just love it when someone has the creativity and courage to attempt something different than what the rest are doing.

The things that went wrong, namely the pit accident and the problems for a certain driver who didn't even get past Lesmos display just how competitve it is, and how easy it is for things to go wrong in a millisecond. The pit lane is a very hazardous environment. I hope the FIA take this seriously and ban anyone who doesn't have business in there. Get the hangers-on and family members and anyone else and make sure there's a physical barrier between them and the racing.

Let's face it, Hamilton was to aggressive. Although the strategy of making sure the McLarens finished every race to gain any points got him to this position in the standings, he did not follow that strategy at Monza, and it cost him. Both Red Bull drivers did play that game, both succeeded, and came away from Monza at least with something.

Wow, there were so many amazing performances, it was wonderful to watch the Monza race. The sight of Button holding off a determined Alonso was wonderful, and the war between Hulkenburg and Webber was titanic.

But I wonder if Ferrari has used up too much resources, and might find themselves weakened from this time forward. They did use their last engine, and although it's possible for them to do well, I have my doubts. But leading up to Monza it was obvious Ferrari would throw everything at Monza. They succeeded, and it was definitely a racing and public relations success. There's a lot of very happy tifosi. The rest of the season may not go as well for Ferrari, but at least they satisfied their local fans where and when it counted.

[marcush.]

monza has different start finish lines. The finish line is a short distance after that gantry crossing the track ...I´m not 1oo5 positive how many F1 pitboxes are in front of that gantry ..I personally had a Pit box considerably further up the gantry a few years ago.. I think that was 5 or 6 doors .

[imightbewrong]

some questions to be asked..

Why did Vettel have to cut the chicane? There seems to be a Vettel-sized car there for him to use on track. Why did Algersuari get penalized and not him?


Did this end-plate damage slow Button down? We'll never know.

[andrew]

What's brake binding by the way?

A brake was slightly jammed on and slowing the car. Kind of like driving a road car with the hand brake slightly on. I've done it (ahem!) by mistake in an automatic that I wasn't familier with and you would be surprised at how much of a difference it can make.

That may have been the reason for the lack of speed in qualifying but I do not believe that it caused Seb to say that the engine was dying on him. Horner speculated that a visor tear off could have got into the air box and blocked the air or fuel intake to some cylinders.

http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/Brak ... -pass.html

Confirmation that it was a brake problem that slowed Vettel.

[Shrieker]

Forza Fred!!! Forza Ferrari!!
But, as an Anti-Hamilton fan I have to say: Lewis impressed me with the way he owned up to his stupid crash. Maybe his personality is now on the road to respectability. I hope so. I hate the fact that such a wonderful driver has acted so childish(over the years, not at Monza) that I can't cheer for him.
hopefully he's trying to grow up now and I can quit hating him.

Oh please... Don't be so hard on yourself now !

I'm sure you'll soon find another reason to hate.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

some questions to be asked..

Why did Vettel have to cut the chicane? There seems to be a Vettel-sized car there for him to use on track. Why did Algersuari get penalized and not him?


Did this end-plate damage slow Button down? We'll never know.

The vettel incident deserves sanction IMO. As for Button, he certainly suffered as the fuel load burned off, Mclaren said as much according to the BBC.

[747heavy]

Looks like that apart from Button nobody really had the legs to run with Ferrari.
After his stop Button did not have an answer to Alonso´s pace.
I think Alonso had speed in hand if needed.
He pulled a gap from lap 43-49, and then cruised home.

Kubica lost out with his early pitstop big time - at least two places
Barichello and Petrov gained with there late stops, and jumped some people for track position - good strategy.

the new teams struggled for speed, and lost at a high rate for all the race.
Schumacher had a lonely race, and was slower then Rosberg for the whole race

[komninosm]

I think Button lost time because of a slow car or 2 that blocked him a bit. Alonso wasn't really much faster.