[ 2020 ] Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

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At the moment he's probably not exactly reflecting championship charisma, but I think he has a lot of potential. Sainz is no slouch and is close to his peak which makes him a worthy opponent. Although we can only get a clearer picture of his standing once he's pegged against Dani Ric.

There's huge room for improvement in his race pace. Even last year Sainz more often than not outshone him on Sundays. Wheel-to-wheel battles have improved but outright pace still needs another look.

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People seem to forget that he's still very young and only on his second season. To say he still has lots of time to come into his own would be an understatement

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trinidefender wrote:
07 Nov 2020, 12:20
People seem to forget that he's still very young and only on his second season. To say he still has lots of time to come into his own would be an understatement
I see him following the 'Button' path. He will develop, and probably win races through knowledge rather than driving the wheels off. But he will need a winning car to get any more than good points.
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trinidefender wrote:
07 Nov 2020, 12:20
People seem to forget that he's still very young and only on his second season. To say he still has lots of time to come into his own would be an understatement
I realise that I don't have any data to help me make a decision. The only measurement I have is Sainz. Sainz stood well against Max and Hulk. He didn't beat them but he wasn't slaughtered either. Still surprises me that a driver like Hulk, who out drove Sainz in quali doesn't have a drive. While Sainz heads for Ferrari

@ RBR, he May have already lost his drive.

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Norris is very fast and generally refrains from sticking it in the wall or the side of another car unlike many of his contemporaries (particularly impressive seeing as he still hasn’t even turned 21 yet - two years younger than Hamilton was when he made his F1 debut!). Race craft isn’t something that is learned overnight so it’s absolutely understandable that Sainz often has the measure of him on Sundays. I expect Ricciardo to have a stronger test with Norris than he has with Ocon this season but ultimately end up the leading driver if he settles in quickly; I’ve always rated him as one of the very top drivers on the grid so he was a real coup for McLaren.

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Norris 'as things stand now' is pretty decent but when you look at McLaren and their ambition as depicted by arrival of Ricciardo, Norris needs to take a proper step up next season if he wants to have a career at McLaren . I like his ability to keep a cool head on his shoulders and the fact that he keeps it clean, hardly making any unforced errors but McLaren's expectations from him next season will be naturally higher.

Ricciardo is a proven top tier driver so Norris' performance against him will give a proper idea. McLaren are aspiring to be a top team so their expectations from the drivers will only get higher. F1 is cut throat, either swim or sink. There are zero emotions involved in decision making.
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Do we have any news about new parts before we see them on friday?

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Chicane wrote:
09 Nov 2020, 08:40
Norris 'as things stand now' is pretty decent but when you look at McLaren and their ambition as depicted by arrival of Ricciardo, Norris needs to take a proper step up next season if he wants to have a career at McLaren . I like his ability to keep a cool head on his shoulders and the fact that he keeps it clean, hardly making any unforced errors but McLaren's expectations from him next season will be naturally higher.

Ricciardo is a proven top tier driver so Norris' performance against him will give a proper idea. McLaren are aspiring to be a top team so their expectations from the drivers will only get higher. F1 is cut throat, either swim or sink. There are zero emotions involved in decision making.
It's a shame to be having this conversation about Lando after his storming start to the season, where he showed some moments of brilliance and resilience to get some great results. But he does seem to have gone a little bit back into his comfort zone.

One thing I will say, I'm not sure it is necessarily his driving. He is a team player, a very strong team player who will manage the car and do what he is told and perhaps he falls into the trap of not imposing enough himself and his ideas on how to get the car round the track.

I may be mistaken but I feel like there is still more he can put on the table, but it is being stifled somehow (or he is just not a strong enough character yet to force it out there), whether that be confidence, experience or a natural deference to the team I don't know.
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The best news for Norris is he's not expected to be "the guy" next year. So he can just drive and work on his craft. If he can hang with Ric like he does with Sainz, he'll be ok. It's hard to say what challenges lie ahead for him but I give him a passing grade. So far the descrempancy between him sainz isn't that large. McLaren being a British team will always be a little more sympathetic to a Brit, so he has that going for him.

I like to look at this a couple years at a time. I, like McLaren, think Norris is a "keep for now". No point trying to guess what will happen in the future, it will come soon enough. Next year at this time, we'll have time to make that decision with results of the 2021 season in hand.

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WOW, you guys are a tough crowd. I think Lando has been hugely impressive this year - he has made ZERO mistakes in qualy or the races (you cannot say the same about SAI or almost any other driver in the field) and he has driven exceptionally well on the "regular" tracks. He has been a bit off the boil in recent races as F1 has come to tracks where he has had no F1 experience and little accurate simulator data - while this applies to other drivers as well, here is where his relative lack of experience may be costing him. I have no doubt that he will resume crushing it in the Middle East leg to end the season and in 2021 as we return to a more regular schedule.

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I think the upgrade programme has disrupted the flow for both drivers. Norris was driving well when the car was in more or less it’s Pre season testing configuration. The tokens drama, as it affects McLaren, which has lead to the 2021 parts being introduced and tested is definitely affecting the drivers negatively. Let’s just hope the pain will turn to gain next year, while doing enough to get 3rd this year.
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Ground Effect wrote:
09 Nov 2020, 18:31
I think the upgrade programme has disrupted the flow for both drivers. Norris was driving well when the car was in more or less it’s Pre season testing configuration. The tokens drama, as it affects McLaren, which has lead to the 2021 parts being introduced and tested is definitely affecting the drivers negatively. Let’s just hope the pain will turn to gain next year, while doing enough to get 3rd this year.
That's a fair point, I still feel Norris has gone back into his shell a bit, but you can't argue with how the cars behaviour may impact the drivers, or even if the behaviours of the car itself may have changed sufficiently to suit one driver less and the other more.
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We still plan to bring more updates in the upcoming races, which will likely help us stay in the third place in the constructors championship.

https://soymotor.com/noticias/mclaren-s ... ros-982156

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_cerber1 wrote:
10 Nov 2020, 10:32
We still plan to bring more updates in the upcoming races, which will likely help us stay in the third place in the constructors championship.

https://soymotor.com/noticias/mclaren-s ... ros-982156
I read that and thought, wow, that is bold!

But the actual quote is:

" We still plan to bring more updates to the next races , which will probably help us to stay in the fight for third place in the Constructors' Championship. I cannot speak of a percentage of developments," Seidl said in a statement to the GP Fans web portal."
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From same article: “McLaren now makes the most of it to develop, since for next year its movements will be limited to two by regulation. One will be the change to the Mercedes engine and the other, they will spend it on a new aerodynamic concept for the front of the car.”

Is that an accurate statement?
Q: (Stefano Mancini – La Stampa) Kimi, will you help Vettel to win his championship this year?
Kimi Raikkonen: I can only drive one car, obviously. 
@2018 Singapore Grand Prix drivers press conference.