Red Bull RB6

[marcush.]

the whole thing does weigh 620 -driver weight now in parc ferme ..so around 560 kilogrammes .(what is the weight of alonso?) compared to the 780 at the startline this is a difference of 220 kilogrammes or 72% of the starting weight..thats a massive difference ...But:
with a combined wheelrate of spring and tyre estimation this accounts for a rideheight change of 5,5 mm for the two extremes.If we consider the tyre pressures already going down in parcferme ..the difference might be even less..so who is able to actually see the rideheight difference of say 4mm?

my assumption was 175 N/mm suspension wheelrate and 225N/mm of tyre springrate these are numbers I seem to remember to have read some time ago.For ease I just assumed all four corners to be equal.

so what we see is quite normal for the ferrari ,but the RB looks striking...the rh height adjustment to counter fuelloads is in fact around or less then4 mm...I`d guess.
so what is going on on the Redbull?

[autogyro]

the whole thing does weigh 620 -driver weight now in parc ferme ..so around 560 kilogrammes .(what is the weight of alonso?) compared to the 780 at the startline this is a difference of 220 kilogrammes or 72% of the starting weight..thats a massive difference ...But:
with a combined wheelrate of spring and tyre estimation this accounts for a rideheight change of 5,5 mm for the two extremes.If we consider the tyre pressures already going down in parcferme ..the difference might be even less..so who is able to actually see the rideheight difference of say 4mm?

my assumption was 175 N/mm suspension wheelrate and 225N/mm of tyre springrate these are numbers I seem to remember to have read some time ago.For ease I just assumed all four corners to be equal.

so what we see is quite normal for the ferrari ,but the RB looks striking...the rh height adjustment to counter fuelloads is in fact around or less then4 mm...I`d guess.
so what is going on on the Redbull?

You can work it the other way though. If you have a demon ride height adjuster that deals with keeping the undertray level and at the right height at all times, then you can also use softer spring rates and improve the mechanical handling.
Ipso Facto a wider range of height when not controlled.

[volarchico]

so the off line driving to pick up marbels and stuff is just to gain weight?

Yes. You can often hear radio instructions from the pits to a driver not to forget to pick pieces of rubber. It's an ancient thing in F1.

So why do they need an extra kg when they end the race? Are they really just ONE kilo under the minimum weight and that extra clag (sp?) is going to save them?

[Shrek]

you never know when you are 1 kg off so it's an easy safety precaution

[Mr Alcatraz]

so the off line driving to pick up marbels and stuff is just to gain weight?

Yes. You can often hear radio instructions from the pits to a driver not to forget to pick pieces of rubber. It's an ancient thing in F1.

So why do they need an extra kg when they end the race? Are they really just ONE kilo under the minimum weight and that extra clag (sp?) is going to save them?

It could be the difference between a win, and a disqualification!
Although not likely!

After finishing in the points,"The Kube" was dq'd in his first race for being underweight!
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/f1-informati ... rt-kubica/

He finished in the points on his debut at the Hungaroring but was disqualified for being underweight. He more than made up for that disappointment at Monza, however, where he raced to the podium in only his third F1 race.

[Pup]

Does the RB6 have fuel consumption problems? Ron Dennis thinks so...

http://www.express.de/sport/motorsport/ ... index.html

He doesn't think they had a bad spark plug or a broken exhaust in Bahrain - he thinks the ECU went into automatic fuel saving mode.

[mith]

With the least thirsty engine in the field? Somehow it's hard to believe...

[wesley123]

doesnt MES make those ECU's? Isnt Ron Dennis working for the company? Looks like sabotage to me...

[autogyro]

Does the RB6 have fuel consumption problems? Ron Dennis thinks so...

http://www.express.de/sport/motorsport/ ... index.html

He doesn't think they had a bad spark plug or a broken exhaust in Bahrain - he thinks the ECU went into automatic fuel saving mode.

With the problems McLaren have in F1 at present, I would think that comments from Ron Dennis would be the least likely to be based on fact.
Especialy when they include Adrian Newey's design.

[autogyro]

However, as McLaren make the ECU it might well default to weak mixture settings if there is a fault with a plug.
Surely not a faulty component from McLaren?

[Pup]

Wow, that was quick. Sensitive lot this morning, aren't you?

AG: What problems do McLaren have in F1, and why would that have any bearing on Dennis' opinion about the Red Bull?

Wes: Sabotage - really?

Mith: I don't know that the Renault is really the least thirsty engine, now that we know that they petitioned the FIA to make fuel consumption related changes and were turned down. Besides, it isn't a question of how thirsty it is in an absolute sense; it's how thirsty it is compared to what they thought it would be.

[Pup]

However, as McLaren make the ECU it might well default to weak mixture settings if there is a fault with a plug.
Surely not a faulty component from McLaren?

AG, you seem to be at a crossroad - are you going to go down the Ron Dennis can't be trusted path, or the McLaren gave them a faulty component path?

[autogyro]

However, as McLaren make the ECU it might well default to weak mixture settings if there is a fault with a plug.
Surely not a faulty component from McLaren?

AG, you seem to be at a crossroad - are you going to go down the Ron Dennis can't be trusted path, or the McLaren gave them a faulty component path?

Well let me see now: One is true and the other very likely, perhaps you can work out which.

[Pup]

Nah, I'll leave it to you to decide which choice you find most satisfying.

[marcush.]

it could be as simple as a pin on the connector to the on plug coil...that was causing the sparkplug not to fire...
it would be quite a thing if the sprkplug failed without causing mechanical damage..
if it fouled ,that had something to do with the engine causing this,if it were mechanical ,a broken ceramic is likeliy or electrode...both would cause damage enough to create bigger issues ..
fuel ? ah forgetit ...have you ever ran out of fuel?..that is not the sound we heard ...it was definitely a non firing cylinder and the burnt fuel in the exhaust causing the horrible noise.