Lewis Hamilton has won the Turkish Grand Prix in Istanbul after closely following the Red Bulls until they knocked each other out. Jenson Button was second, while Mark Webber managed to finish third after an extra stop. Sebastian Vettel didn't make it to the finish.
Rubbish, this is what he said:zenithbeach wrote:the important thing here i think is that Christian H said immediately after the race that it was mark's fault because he was slower than vettel. he implied that webber was told to let vettel pass (obviously in a code).
when webber was then interviewed and asked about this particular "information" he looked totally oblivious and confused. he was like "WTF, no way, nobody told me that" blah blah so basically it was a miscommunication on red bulls part.
its rather frustrating for both drivers i think, and i hope that - even though they seem to blame each other - incidents like that wont happen again! i mean look at how many points theyve lost! especially vettel shouldnt have been so aggressive, because, out of everyone, he should know the importance of every single point!
so the only comment i have to the crash is a big fat: duh!
Horner is admitting Vettel screwed up!!CHRISTIAN HORNER, Team Principal: “It’s disappointing for the team to have got into that position today. The one thing I always ask the drivers is that, yes, they can race each other, but give each other room, and that’s exactly what didn’t happen. They were too far over on the left, Sebastian got a run on the inside of Mark, but then came across too early. They didn’t give each other room; it’s as simple as that. It was a massively close race between us and the McLarens up until that point. We managed to get ourselves ahead with a better pit-stop and a better strategy for Sebastian and were first and second. Sebastian was a bit happier on the prime tyre than Mark and was looking quicker at that point in the race. He got a run on Mark up the inside and we saw what happened. It’s massively disappointing and the situation shouldn’t have occurred. To give McLaren 28 points on a plate is very frustrating for everyone in the team – especially after so much hard work. We’ve lost a lot of points today with what’s happened. We need to learn from it, so we don’t find ourselves in this position again.”
If by sand bagging you mean managing the car to help reach the finish then Mclaren were 'sand bagging! from lap 18!! Button said he was told to save fuel from lap 20 and Lewis 2 laps earlier.autogyro wrote: I also still believe the RBs were sand bagging for the whole race for reliability reasons. They could have been way ahead.
McLaren will not catch the pace of the RBs with the technical direction they are on with the current car and it is to much and against the regulations to change completely.
ehm i watched the interview straight after the race.. live! he definitely seemed to blame webber, though he kept saying "but i need to speak with the drivers first before i tie myself down". then he said how webber was slower and implied he shouldve let vettel pass.djos wrote:
Rubbish, this is what he said:
Horner is admitting Vettel screwed up!!
What I posted above is from the Official RedBull press Release/team Quotes published by the FIA.zenithbeach wrote:ehm i watched the interview straight after the race.. live! he definitely seemed to blame webber, though he kept saying "but i need to speak with the drivers first before i tie myself down". then he said how webber was slower and implied he shouldve let vettel pass.djos wrote:
Rubbish, this is what he said:
Horner is admitting Vettel screwed up!!
i know what i saw dude, whatever he said later is obviously gonna differ from his immediate reaction
there you have it then, obviously the official release would differ and be more diplomatic.djos wrote:
What I posted above is from the Official RedBull press Release/team Quotes published by the FIA.
It may be more diplomatic but Horner is clearly apportioning blame to Vettel:zenithbeach wrote:there you have it then, obviously the official release would differ and be more diplomatic.djos wrote:
What I posted above is from the Official RedBull press Release/team Quotes published by the FIA.
it doesn't get any clearer than that!Sebastian got a run on the inside of Mark, but then came across too early.
indeed! and i agree with him though i dont see the point in arguing about whose fault it was cause it clearly doesnt change the outcome. i was merely pointing out the initial statements and the obvious team order that was failed to be handed down to webber by his race engineer.djos wrote: it doesn't get any clearer than that!
It proves just how much slower the RBs were going to ensure reliability.zenithbeach wrote:by the way congrats to petrov for securing the fastest lap! how awesome is that haha
.3-.4s per race...omg ..by the end of the year they will lap the field by half distance...thestig84 wrote:If by sand bagging you mean managing the car to help reach the finish then Mclaren were 'sand bagging! from lap 18!! Button said he was told to save fuel from lap 20 and Lewis 2 laps earlier.autogyro wrote: I also still believe the RBs were sand bagging for the whole race for reliability reasons. They could have been way ahead.
McLaren will not catch the pace of the RBs with the technical direction they are on with the current car and it is to much and against the regulations to change completely.
In my opinion neither team were sand bagging. They were managing their cars as effectively as possible to reach the end and in best position as always. I think Mclaren were a match for the rb6 yesterday and may have even pulled away in the clean air Webber was enjoying.
Ill try to remember you so confidently stating that Mclaren wont catch RedBull with their development path. MW reckons they are bringing average of 0.3-4 per race. My opinion is that they have every chance to overtake RedBull as the 25 is still being understood and more time can be found where as the rb6 is a well understood evolution and will be harder to keep on finding time.
Not just red bull. It just show us that fastest laps mean less these days as its who is pushing at the end. Race winner only had 12th fastest lap. Petrov slapped on new tyres after his puncture as went for it in the last few laps. Means nothing nevertheless a great drive by him and a real shame Alonso just touched him. Seems Alonso was lucky too...autogyro wrote:It proves just how much slower the RBs were going to ensure reliability.zenithbeach wrote:by the way congrats to petrov for securing the fastest lap! how awesome is that haha
