Silly Season 2011/2012

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ringo
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Sounds good, but woudln't it be a little humiliating for the ousted driver?
Imaging Alonso, Button and Hamilton on the same team. It's almost a given that Lonso and Hamilton are going to be the 2 drivers who will race.
Even though justifiably you will want to have the 2 fastest guys racing.

It's a really nice idea. Cuase drivers like Buemi who are clearly faster than their teammates don't seem to be popular for some reason or the other with their teams.
Buemi for instance has had bad luck with retirements that are not his fault, and he has shown to be more mature and quicker than his teammate, but yet he doesn't seem to be popular with fans or team members.

A way to include these guys by giving them a fair shot would be good for the sport.

Buemi would do well in a top team right about now. Forget about Ricciardo. Buemi can possible buss Vettels ass in redbull if they give him the chance. :lol:
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MIKEY_!
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In your first example ringo, Button would just find a new team.

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from planet f1:
Although no one at Force India has even hinted at who their two drivers will be for next year's Championship, it is widely believed that Paul di Resta and Nico Hulkenberg already have contracts in place.

That means Adrian Sutil is without a drive for 2012, although, according to rumours, that won't be for long either.

The German is reportedly in talks with Williams after their move to sign Kimi Raikkonen fell through when the Finn asked for a stake in the F1 team.
What is Kimi smoking? :?
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Although no one at Force India has even hinted at who their two drivers will be for next year's Championship, it is widely believed that Paul di Resta and Nico Hulkenberg already have contracts in place.

That means Adrian Sutil is without a drive for 2012, although, according to rumours, that won't be for long either.
PDR seems to have shot his bolt. Look at the second half and he has been well and truly beaten by AS.

If AS isn't very good that doesn't bode well for PDR. He was always over rated in this formula and is likely to struggle to match Couthard as a journey man let alone challenge for the title

Word from the factory is that NH is faster than the pair of them and today was faster than PDR

Previous form is irrelevant. HHR was faster than MS and that did him a fat lot of good in F1

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ringo
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Suppose diresta is the one that goes?
Sutil is on top form. Funny most don't see that di resta is overated. Good for a rookie, but not faster than his teammate.
Hulkenberg is faster than him too. Sutil may be the faster of the three, but any how i think Sutil should go to williams anyway if he is not wanted.
He should really try his luck at knocking Massa out of Ferrari though.
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The latest rumor is that Force India are trying to get Sutil a seat for next year, they have let Sutil ring the car out as much as psoible over the last two weeks especially and have contrived PDR in strategy as well. However rumor has it that they will take Paul and Nico for next year and will then let them wring the car out next year. Sutil is destined for Williams, and Bottas will remain as TD as he was used as the bait for Kimi to get him to soften his posistion.

However the team mate of Sutil at Williams next year is still up in the air with Venuzuealean politics getting into the deal with Maldanado/Williams. If this is shut down by the parlement there, id expect Maldanado to disappear faster than water down a drain and this could leave a seat free for Senna id recon with his sponsor money at arround €12m a season, and it would fill up the space on that car from Sennas sponsors and the sponsors of Sutil.

As for Toro Rosso, im thinking that one driver there will stay, Vergne will move in, the ditched driver will move to a Hispania seat and Riccardo will race for Caterham next year. Im thinking that Alguersauri will go to Hispania (or the Spanish national team) and Buemi will kept for STR.

As for Rubens, i think he will, or could end up at a seat at a team that needs an experienced driver, and will pop into the car in FP1 next year for this need, im thinking Lotus for this, as Kubica seems to be gone.

I also think that there will be a refuge at one team for D'Ambrosio and i think he will end up as the 3rd driver at Caterham next year with Chandhok going to Force India as their 3rd driver.

The driver market is closing up, but there also looks as if there is plenty of variables and posibilities still to be ironed out.

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Yes I would love Jamie at HRT next year or should I say the Spanish National Team (SNT F1 Team) :D

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MIKEY_!
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Um... that's Spanish National Team F1 Team. Lost in translation perhaps? :lol:

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another mediocre performance by Massa. If he continues like that next year, I can see him replaced before the season ends....

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ESPImperium wrote:The latest rumor is that Force India are trying to get Sutil a seat for next year, they have let Sutil ring the car out as much as psoible over the last two weeks especially and have contrived PDR in strategy as well. However rumor has it that they will take Paul and Nico for next year and will then let them wring the car out next year. Sutil is destined for Williams, and Bottas will remain as TD as he was used as the bait for Kimi to get him to soften his posistion.
ESP, are these rumours implying that FI purposefully held Di Resta back, helping Sutil to look good in the eyes of any potential new employers for next year?
I don't really buy it, if that's the case.

Although highly unlikely if some of the top drivers had dropped out in Brasil, FI could have overtaken Renault in the constructors.
I don't think they would risk losing points just to get a driver (supposedly) on his way out a drive somewhere else.

I think Sutil beat Di Resta fair and square - AGAIN.
Sutil has always been quick, for some reason he just couldn't get to grips with the car at the start of the season but that's clearly no longer a problem.
He was the driver of the day for me today in Brazil - a really great performance.
The guy brings money with him from Medion, he's quick and he's reliable.

He's probably the best driver FI are able to get in one of their seats at the moment, why dump him?
If they really need to replace someone (which they don't), then why not replace di Resta with Hulkenburg.
After all, Hulkenburg has been quicker in a lot of the free practice sessions.
I think that Hulkenburg is probably bullying them into giving him a seat a bit, he probably had something in his contract when he joined the team or else he's threatening to just walk away if not offered a drive.
Seriously though, where else could he go, he seems to have put all his eggs in one basket for next year.

If Sutil is the one who loses his seat at FI, I think that Williams should snap him up.
I'd like to see carrying this form through next year and as Ringo said hopefully being in a position to replace Massa at Ferrari.
I think that Sutil would be a perfect no. 2 to Alonso and could actually give him quite a run for his money.
In my opinion, he is quicker than Massa, who if carries on like he has next year, should be dropped.

Whatever happens, I really hope that Sutil gets a break soon.
I'm not really a Sutil fan but to me he is one of the most underrated driver of recent times.
He's been stuck in a bad to decent car for years now and has consistently put in quick, reliable performances, only to be passed over by the big teams year after year.

Actually his career reminds me a lot of Button's.
For how many years was Button overlooked but look where he is now - I just hope Sutil gets his break too.

As for HRT, why have Alguersuari in the 2nd seat? - I don't think he really brings enough to HRT's table - they need money and experience - both of which he doesn't really have.
Surely after signing de la Rosa, HRT really need someone who brings some serious cash with him?
I don't think that simply being Spanish is enough to get Jaime a seat there.
I think he'll stay at STR, to be joined by Ricciardo.
STR need to keep one of their existing drivers, so that they have some constant to compare the new driver to.
No good putting Vergne and Ricciardo together at STR just yet, we'll just have another repeat of the Alguersuari/Buemi scenario and once again we'll be left wondering how good they actually are and how good the car is.

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Charles Pic has been confirmed as D'Ambrosio's replacement
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Marussia now signed and sealed: http://www.marussiavirginracing.com/news/514/

Charls Pic.

There are only ten seats avalable in F1 for 2012 by my estimation now.

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Whats the deal with Daniel Ricciardo joining Team Caterham next season (replacing Jarno Trulli)?

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/28112011/ ... -link.html

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Trailer23 wrote:Whats the deal with Daniel Ricciardo joining Team Caterham next season (replacing Jarno Trulli)?

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/28112011/ ... -link.html
This doesn't seem to be happening:

http://www.yallaf1.com/2011/11/28/ferna ... nd-trulli/

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Anyone got an idea how much Red Bull paid HRT to put Ricciardo in a seat this year?
I'm just wondering: if it was enough money maybe they signed de la Rosa knowing that they'd get enough money from Red Bull for the other seat to be filled by Ricciardo again or Vergne?