2012 Hungarian GP - Hungaroring

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Senna did a good job this weekend. He needs to do this more often though, if he wants to retain the seat...

@beelsebob,

What about the bulls :)
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Shrieker wrote:Senna did a good job this weekend. He needs to do this more often though, if he wants to retain the seat...

@beelsebob,

What about the bulls :)
I honestly see the bulls as looking fairly week in all contexts at the moment, especially high speed aero. The only thing they're strongish at is traction, and spa really isn't a traction circuit at all.

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I think that the max candidate for the tittle championship is now Kimmi Raikkonen. Lotus has done an incredible car, they have experience and a driver that is incredible. For the next races they will implement their DDRS interpretation and I predict better results on Saturdays with this device

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Mestrades wrote:I think that the max candidate for the tittle championship is now Kimmi Raikkonen. Lotus has done an incredible car, they have experience and a driver that is incredible. For the next races they will implement their DDRS interpretation and I predict better results on Saturdays with this device
I honestly think the "kimi/lotus are in the ascendancy" thing going round now is nothing more than "ohh, the track was 45°C and lotus finished second"... It's happened twice before that the track has been 45°C, both times Lotus finished second. I would bet heavily, that unless they make significant changes to the car, they'll continue to finish around second if the track is hot, and around 4-6th if the track is cooler

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How come the race didn't do the 70 laps? Sure they had 2 formation laps - but I was unaware that a second formation lap meant a reduced race distance (in terms of laps run)
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raymondu999 wrote:How come the race didn't do the 70 laps? Sure they had 2 formation laps - but I was unaware that a second formation lap meant a reduced race distance (in terms of laps run)
The grand prix is 71 laps long, both formation laps counted as part of the race, even if not racing. They don't extend the race because it would bugger everyone's fuel calculations.

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Mestrades wrote:I think that the max candidate for the tittle championship is now Kimmi Raikkonen. Lotus has done an incredible car, they have experience and a driver that is incredible. For the next races they will implement their DDRS interpretation and I predict better results on Saturdays with this device
Do you realize how far off the points lead Kimi is?
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Pierce89 wrote:
Mestrades wrote:I think that the max candidate for the tittle championship is now Kimmi Raikkonen. Lotus has done an incredible car, they have experience and a driver that is incredible. For the next races they will implement their DDRS interpretation and I predict better results on Saturdays with this device
Do you realize how far off the points lead Kimi is?
One less than Hamilton.

[edit] That is to say, he has one point less than Hamilton, so I guess he is one point further off strictly speaking.
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beelsebob wrote:The grand prix is 71 laps long, both formation laps counted as part of the race, even if not racing. They don't extend the race because it would bugger everyone's fuel calculations.
The race distance is usually 70 racing laps at the Hungaroring, to cover the 305km race distance... The 1 formation lap they usually do isn't counted towards the 305km race distance. I know it would bugger with the fueling calculations, but... so does rain. So does safety cars, if you know what I mean.
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beelsebob wrote:
Mestrades wrote:I think that the max candidate for the tittle championship is now Kimmi Raikkonen. Lotus has done an incredible car, they have experience and a driver that is incredible. For the next races they will implement their DDRS interpretation and I predict better results on Saturdays with this device
I honestly think the "kimi/lotus are in the ascendancy" thing going round now is nothing more than "ohh, the track was 45°C and lotus finished second"... It's happened twice before that the track has been 45°C, both times Lotus finished second. I would bet heavily, that unless they make significant changes to the car, they'll continue to finish around second if the track is hot, and around 4-6th if the track is cooler
I have to agree. The Lotus still looks like it's solid but not that strong over a single lap, and in hot races they are able to use their better tyre life to overtake (either on track or through strategy) others that are struggling in the heat.

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raymondu999 wrote:
beelsebob wrote:The grand prix is 71 laps long, both formation laps counted as part of the race, even if not racing. They don't extend the race because it would bugger everyone's fuel calculations.
The race distance is usually 70 racing laps at the Hungaroring, to cover the 305km race distance... The 1 formation lap they usually do isn't counted towards the 305km race distance. I know it would bugger with the fueling calculations, but... so does rain. So does safety cars, if you know what I mean.
Rain and safety cars both lower the amount of fuel used, an extra lap increases it.

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raymondu999 wrote:
beelsebob wrote:The grand prix is 71 laps long, both formation laps counted as part of the race, even if not racing. They don't extend the race because it would bugger everyone's fuel calculations.
The race distance is usually 70 racing laps at the Hungaroring, to cover the 305km race distance... The 1 formation lap they usually do isn't counted towards the 305km race distance. I know it would bugger with the fueling calculations, but... so does rain. So does safety cars, if you know what I mean.
Rain and safety car help conserve fuel whereas an extra lap needs more fuel. The cars are fueled for the race distance plus 3 laps (Lap to make the grid, formation lap and victory/in lap)...an extra lap would require more fuel, which will bugger with the fuel calculations in the wrong way

EDIT: sorry bob didnt read your post before posting
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Jesus! How God aful is Narain Karthikeyan. The man qualifies 24th & either finishes at the bottom of the barrel and/or crashes out.

Will someone please throw HRT a bone & get rid of this clown from the sport, but good.

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Shrieker wrote:Senna did a good job this weekend. He needs to do this more often though, if he wants to retain the seat...

@beelsebob,

What about the bulls :)
See this is what is absolutely ludicrous.

Senna has consistently outperformed Maldonado in the majority of races this season.

Maldonado has no points since Barcelona. Yes he would have had some since had he not done the idiotic things he has done.

But, I still believe Barcelona was a gift of a win, not any real indication of anything. That was when the headlines were still filled with the "how many different winners will we have before a repeat winner" stuff.

Maldonado at both Hockenheim, and today at the Hungaroring has gone backwards once the green light has gone off.

He had a terrible launch today off the grid, but even had he had a better launch, I'm not convinced he would have held position at all. He dropped back and was never in any real contention to at least get P10.

I would love to know who has been more instrumental in feedback when it comes to improving the FW34. I have a feeling based on what I have heard that it is definitely not Maldonado. The Williams mechanics have said working with Bruno reminds them a lot of his Uncle Ayrton in the technical feedback he gives.

It's all relative to what you want out of a driver. Sure Maldonado can be fast, but it is without question being proven consistently that he has no clue how to drive smart. I have nothing against driving aggressively, but there is a line to what is acceptable. Running into guys is over the line. Going wheel-to-wheel without contact is acceptable. I have no problem with squeezing a guy out so long as it isn't done where the end result is the guy finds himself wrecked. Bruno on the other hand isn't a great qualifier, but he has shown to be more than capable of running a smart race. He had 25 laps on the medium compounds and defended against Button superbly the entire time. If he can get into Q3 multiple times in the 2nd half of the season, I would expect him to score more points than Maldonado does. I prefer drivers who drive with a brain in their head.

Also the other thing too people forget, Bruno is the only driver who has lost his seat in FP1 as much as he has to Bottas. Bottas hasn't even raced in GP2 and I think he has no business having that FP1 seat. That's ridiculous to no end, and it's disappointing Frank Williams has allowed this. I would say in spite of the disadvantage Bruno faces every race weekend, he's handled himself remarkably well, and done more than you might expect out of a driver in that situation. He has had several poor races, but in most of them, it wasn't as if Maldonado was doing anything either.
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Drive of The Day: Kimi Raikkonen Excellent Race & Strategy , should have been rewarded with a win :(
Good Drive from Senna he saves some precious points :D
And Good Performance By Pic who is Ahead of team mate Timo Glock again !
I still don't understand Why Red Bull decided to pit Webber & Vettel
Vettel didn't loose anything but Webber Lost his 5th place ..They Said they gambled on other Teams Tyre Degs but I'm not convinced..
Red Bull will have a HUGE handicap at Spa , this year it will be difficult for them without EBD and they are not the ones to be known for their Top Speed..( However there is Rumors that Red Bull might use DDRS in Spa , I dunno if it's true or not..)

Minardi was Better than HRT btw.. This team soon will challenge Andrea Moda for the worst F1 Team ..Poor De La Rosa :(
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