2013 Australian GP - Albert Park

[simieski]

Don't you mean he basically couldn't deploy DRS for the rest of the race?

Was that not what I said? There was some structuraldamage to the point that the team were worried the assembly would disintegrate if he were to turn DRS on.

Basically, yes. I think basically though the intent of Bhallg2k's reply has basically not been understood, in my opinion basically speaking.

[raymondu999]

Really? when I first read that I thought it was because the hydraulics were damaged. Why would that be the case? DRS reduces loads on the structure.

I saw it on the F1 2011 review dvd. Chief mechanic Pete Vale was telling Paddy Lowe to tell Lewis no DRS. Can't remember the exact words, but it was something along the lines of, "see that shim over there? We're worried the whole bloody thing might fall off."

[strad]

What a load of shìt...Ya know they used to would have run.
Don't tell me about the wet and the puddles..or the lines..These are supposed to be the best drivers in the world. They should be able to drive to the conditions. It's kinda like the idiots..Massa, Hamilton etc that wanted to push too hard for the available conditions. All they had to do was post a time to get into Q2 ...but no,,, they had to go too fast an d damaged their cars...Think what it would mean if you showed such carelessness.
The drivers need to be able to show common sense as well as drive fast...they need to be the whole package.
I find it a real shame that F1 has been so emasculated over the years.

[GrizzleBoy]

Really?

[Joie de vivre]

It was canceled because it was too dark. The rain itself wasn't the problem to my understanding, also some spectators stated the visibility was actually much worse than it appeared on TV.

[hollus]

It only got too dark because the rain was a problem for 2 hours.

Incidentally, and as it happened often in races in the last 2 years, whoever gambled with a wet setup for quali has been punished... because it was too wet (ta-da!!!)
Now not only you have to race in the dry, but also you make the most important part of quali in the dry, with a wet setup.

[morefirejules08]

What a load of shìt...Ya know they used to would have run.
Don't tell me about the wet and the puddles..or the lines..These are supposed to be the best drivers in the world. They should be able to drive to the conditions. It's kinda like the idiots..Massa, Hamilton etc that wanted to push too hard for the available conditions. All they had to do was post a time to get into Q2 ...but no,,, they had to go too fast an d damaged their cars...Think what it would mean if you showed such carelessness.
The drivers need to be able to show common sense as well as drive fast...they need to be the whole package.
I find it a real shame that F1 has been so emasculated over the years.

Wow, I would just love to see you attempt to drive an F1 car in the wet!

[ESPImperium]

This Quali situation is a farce, it was of concern in Brazil in 2009 and again in 2010 as well. The point was raised in 2010 at Japan and 2004 as well, but they called it early due to a cyclone.

What id do is make a 2 hour rule similar to the 4 hour rule for the race, where they have 4 hours to complete Quali, if they dont they go back to the end of the previous session and call it a grid. So at this moment, the grid would be as the Intrim results are;

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Pos Driver                Team                    Time        Gap   
 1. Nico Rosberg          Mercedes                1m43.380s
 2. Fernando Alonso       Ferrari                 1m43.850s + 0.470s
 3. Romain Grosjean       Lotus Renault           1m44.284s + 0.904s
 4. Sergio Perez          McLaren-Mercedes        1m44.300s + 0.920s
 5. Mark Webber           Red Bull-Renault        1m44.472s + 1.092s
 6. Felipe Massa          Ferrari                 1m44.635s + 1.255s
 7. Sebastian Vettel      Red Bull-Renault        1m44.657s + 1.277s
 8. Jenson Button         McLaren-Mercedes        1m44.688s + 1.308s
 9. Jean-Eric Vergne      Toro Rosso-Ferrari      1m44.871s + 1.491s
10. Lewis Hamilton        Mercedes                1m45.456s + 2.076s
11. Kimi Raikkonen        Lotus-Renault           1m45.545s + 2.165s
12. Paul di Resta         Force India-Mercedes    1m45.601s + 2.221s
13. Nico Hulkenberg       Sauber-Ferrari          1m45.930s + 2.550s
14. Daniel Ricciardo      Toro Rosso-Ferrari      1m46.450s + 3.070s
15. Valtteri Bottas       Williams-Renault        1m47.328s + 3.948s
16. Adrian Sutil          Force India-Mercedes    1m47.330s + 3.950s
17. Pastor Maldonado      Williams-Renault        1m47.614s + 4.234s
18. Esteban Gutierrez     Sauber-Ferrari          1m47.776s + 4.396s
19. Jules Bianchi         Marussia-Cosworth       1m48.147s + 4.767s
20. Max Chilton           Marussia-Cosworth       1m48.909s + 5.529s
21. Giedo van der Garde   Caterham-Renault        1m49.519s + 6.139s
22. Charles Pic           Caterham-Renault        1m50.626s + 7.246s

If it was the end of Q2 it would be called a grid.

Meaning that teams would be forced to go out and try and set a time as soon as the track is ready at the time when Quali is supposed to start. As for the 107% rule, in a change in climatic conditions, it would be suspended. However the Question about what if Quali is started and cannot be completed, say this happens; Q1 is started and half the grid sets a time in the first 5 minutes, and the session is red flagged due to an accident or something and cannot be restarted in the 2 hours, then what id do is then make a rule that then what happens is you go now to FP3 times. That would mean that FP3 would be treated as a Pre Qualifying in a form.

The rules over Qualifying need to be changed to include something about a change in climatic conditions.

[dave34m]

Wow, I would just love to see you attempt to drive an F1 car in the wet!

I dont think this sort of comment even need a response.... but geez, really

[morefirejules08]

Wow, I would just love to see you attempt to drive an F1 car in the wet!

I dont think this sort of comment even need a response.... but geez, really

Yes really, people are quick to criticise drivers without having a real idea of what it is like to be inside an F1 car in the wet. The fact the the OP tried to draw comparisons between driving on the road and driving in a race situation with somewhat discredits his whole statement.
He seems to think drivers should just dawdle round in the wet as any time would be good enough to progress to Q2. It's qualification for a formula one race not s leisurely drive down the A404 on a Sunday afternoon.
So a ridiculous post deserves a derogatory reply.

[n_anirudh]

Morning comrades,

A sunny start to the day, although a few heavy clouds linger on...Has been a particularly cold night...

Tops of 20C for the day with wind..track temp should be around 30 max...still a 60% chance of rain..

http://www.weatherzone.com.au/vic/melbourne/st-kilda
http://www.bom.gov.au/vic/forecasts/melbourne.shtml

Albert park grounds may be a bit soggy and the track green. As F1 cars and other events get underway more rubber will be laid over the course of the day. Enjoy the events!

[Hail22]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cSz2LJ2uZQ[/youtube]

Its fa fa freezing outside, so I've rushed back to my room and decided to wait for our chauffeur which leaves at 9:00am local time...early bird gets the worm I guess at the paddock.

[myurr]

Yes really, people are quick to criticise drivers without having a real idea of what it is like to be inside an F1 car in the wet. The fact the the OP tried to draw comparisons between driving on the road and driving in a race situation with somewhat discredits his whole statement.
He seems to think drivers should just dawdle round in the wet as any time would be good enough to progress to Q2. It's qualification for a formula one race not s leisurely drive down the A404 on a Sunday afternoon.
So a ridiculous post deserves a derogatory reply.

Would you not agree though that there have been some amazing wet races and qualifying sessions in the past? You don't have to be an F1 driver to be able to look at past evidence or to make a judgement based on what you can observe. Do I have to be a world class singer to know that someone's rubbish at karaoke? It's just raising a straw man argument because you agree with the decision, which is really just your opinion, same as we have our opinions.

For me the real shame is if the current trend from the FIA continues then we could miss out on so many opportunities for the best drivers to shine. There's always an element of requiring the car to work well in the wet, but equally we've seen some drivers absolutely decimate their team mates in the process of producing outstanding performances. Whether it's old classics like some of Senna's stand out performances or more recent drives like Hamilton's 2008 race in Silverstone (which is one example among many), or what about Vettel's maiden win in the Torro Rosso which was in large part due to McLaren and Ferrari getting it wrong in qualifying.

Since Pirelli became the tyre supplier the FIA have become increasingly cautious to the extent that many of those performances wouldn't have been allowed to happen. And for me, as an armchair viewer safely at home, it looks like a real shame with a large chance that we're missing out on some amazing opportunities for drivers to really make a difference and stand out from the crowd, with midfield cars suddenly able to beat the front runners, and some of the front runners able to elevate themselves above all in dominant fashion.

[morefirejules08]

I'm not saying I agree or disagree with the FIA's decision, I wasn't at the track to see what it was really like. Personally I love the excitment that a wet race brings but what I don't like is keyboard warriors sitting in their nice warm dry living room posting that divers are idiots and that standing water and painted lines make no difference! Personally I find it highly ignorant.
So if people are going to post such drivel then they leave themselves open to attack.

[hendrix]

Don't forget that they stopped qualy after Q1, and they finished q1 with intermediate tyres. If you crash with intermediate maybe you should drive full wet tyres. It was not an aquaplaning question so the show must go on.