2014 Design

[Lycoming]

Doubt it, doing so reduces the effective span of the rear wing. You'd be loathe to do so since it's the highest aspect ratio wing on the car, and you'd be greatly reducing it's efficiency at the midspan, which is where it makes the most downforce.

[SectorOne]

And if you stop putting elements as you get closer to the wing?

[raymondu999]

You aim/place the underside of the aerodynamic surface near the plume. This will increase it's performance. It would work something like a circulation control wing in reverse.

The aerodynamic surface cannot be within 15mm of the plume.

15 mm isn't much

What is "the plume" anyways? Is there an FiA-defined standard plume? Before you think I'm an idiot who doesn't understand the word plume, what I mean is wouldn't different cars, engines and exhaust layouts produce different plumes? Would it be defined as a 3 degree cone like they did when they introduced the 2012 exhaust regs?

[Marcus-F1]

Couldn't resist on doing a little playing around with this god awful F1 nose design. At 80m/s a simple pressure distribution image.

[SectorOne]

This was my thought regarding the monkey seat but with multiple elements.



Legal? Doable? Still too close to the rear wing? Could it aid the center part of the rear wing?

[Lycoming]

It will be detrimental to wing performance, but improve undertray performance. The closer you bring an element to the wing, the less it benefits the diffuser, the more it hurts the wing. And if you stack a bunch of elements really close to each other like that, the low and high pressure zones of two of the winglets will intersect, greatly degrading the performance of all of the winglets. Legality aside, you've basically just drawn a very complicated air brake.

There are many reasons why this did not catch on.



What I just explained is merely one of them.

[SectorOne]

Point taken

[horse]

Considering multiple elements, however, it is interesting that the monkey seat never developed a multiple element arrangement (like a flap), if it's legal. Again, perhaps the wake would have upset the main plane.

[wuzak]

This was my thought regarding the monkey seat but with multiple elements.

http://i.imgur.com/wi4n84E.jpg

Legal? Doable? Still too close to the rear wing? Could it aid the center part of the rear wing?

If it were of any benefit I would think that the teams would be doing that now.

I imagine that the volume that allows the monkey seat was originally intended to allow wing support struts.

[theWPTformula]

This was my thought regarding the monkey seat but with multiple elements.

http://i.imgur.com/wi4n84E.jpg

Legal? Doable? Still too close to the rear wing? Could it aid the center part of the rear wing?

I would've thought that the low pressure beneath each winglet would impinge on the high pressure above each successive winglet below.

Not sure if it's legal either but I can't see any reason why it isn't. Otherwise, as mentioned above, teams would already be doing it. Unless it has no benefit of course.

[theWPTformula]

And just when I was about to talk about the pressure zones on each winglet interacting with eachother, Lycoming already mentioned it!

[Rationzo]

Hi I was wondering if the new regs for 2014 will allow the return of "Walrus noses" as in the Williams FW26 2004. I have made a sketch here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/18598395@N06/10836233265/

[Rationzo]

does anyone know if the Walrus nose would be legal under the 2014 regs? I've made a sketch here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/18598395@N06/10836233265/

[wuzak]

does anyone know if the Walrus nose would be legal under the 2014 regs? I've made a sketch here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/18598395@N06/10836233265/

I would think not.

• The rules require a standard centre section and supports for the front wing
• There are minimum cross sectional areas required for the bodywork ahead of the front wheel centreline.

[trinidefender]

Unless it was modified then no. Simply because the supports will be above the minimum nose height. If it was only a vanity panel then yes, however that design shows the wing supports extending quite high. The wing supports will take all of the downforce from the front wing so they will have to be structural.