2014 Japanese Grand Prix - Suzuka

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gilgen wrote:
SectorOne wrote:
ringo wrote:They had the same exact setup, this was confirmed by Nico.
Hamilton was just more adaptable to the conditions.
This, for a team is just incredible. To have two drivers able to run the same exact setup is a pretty solid advantage over teams with drivers that have vastly different preferences.

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thats odd! after quali, nico was asked if he had a wet set-up, and he said YES. hamilton was also asked the same question, and he said NO. so who was telling porkies? and then in the race, nico was suffering understeer, hamilton wasnt.
Pretty sure Nico said no he didn't have a wet set-up, and I believe he said he was suffering from oversteer during the race, not understeer. He should have pitted during the race when his tyres were shot instead of allowing Hamilton the opportunity to pass him.

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Absolutely, he waited too much. Anyway we saw that after the pit Nico was very slow again, so he couldnt have done anything against Lewis. I was expecting much more from Nico so I was quite disappointed with him. I dont know why but Nico always makes worse races in the second half of the seasons, and it happens always.
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To clear up some stuff, from Autosport.
"I was definitely not happy with the balance but we had pretty much the same set-up," he said.

"Lewis must have had the same oversteer. I tried to tweak the balance, but we need to look into it.

"I guess I struggled a bit more with it. Oversteer, I didn't like it."
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Lewis is known to like a bit of oversteer; it allows him to make sharp entries into slow corners, which was evident in the chicane, where he very much closed up to Nico. Hamilton seems to be able to act on "wheel snaps" before they happen, preserving the tyres that way.

Nico on the other hand copes better with understeer.

Nico will have to do a bit of training in the simulator concerning this; Abu Dhabi's slow sector consists of such sharp corners, and Lewis has proven in the past to be mighty there.
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If Adrian Sutil is correct that there was a big patch of water that was not visible due to low light that led to his accident and then the same for Bianchi then FIA has some kind of responsibility. it was too dark, patches of water not visible, high possibility of aquaplaning so safety car should be out when sutil had his off road excursion.
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First video of the Bianchi-accident has surfaced online. Caution: these are shocking images!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASnqrbMtnos

No words for this... Forza Jules :'(
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oh ---...
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o my.....

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Enormous speed. It looks like the roll hoop got the first blow, maybe the side padding too got hit before the inevitable collision with the left side of his head.

It looks and still is aweful, but the roll hoop took a considerable amount of energy out of it and even lifted the tractor a bit. If that didn't happen he wouldn't be among us anymore.

Also note that the marshall on the left was EXTREMELY lucky. It looks like it was literally a few inches between him and the car. Infact he got blown to ground by the wake of the car. Extremely lucky.

Very unfortunate for Bianchi. A bit to the right and he would have missed the tractor.
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johnsonwax wrote:Did Lewis make a mistake in quali that I missed? .3s slower is quite a lot between those two.
The gap was 0.2sec and Rosberg is very good in quali trim. I think Hamilton wasn't that concerned, because he knew the race would be totally different with wet conditions.

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xDama wrote:First video of the Bianchi-accident has surfaced online. Caution: these are shocking images!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASnqrbMtnos

No words for this... Forza Jules :'(
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UNBELIEVABLE Speed. Now I really fear the worse. The Tractor took massive impact. Cannot imagine what has happened with the car.

It appears as if, the gravel trap hasn't done any help to reduce the speed. It seems as if he was on a start/stop straight, with that kind of speed.
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turbof1 wrote:Enormous speed. It looks like the roll hoop got the first blow, maybe the side padding too got hit before the inevitable collision with the left side of his head.

It looks and still is aweful, but the roll hoop took a considerable amount of energy out of it and even lifted the tractor a bit. If that didn't happen he wouldn't be among us anymore.

Also note that the marshall on the left was EXTREMELY lucky. It looks like it was literally a few inches between him and the car. Infact he got blown to ground by the wake of the car. Extremely lucky.

Very unfortunate for Bianchi. A bit to the right and he would have missed the tractor.
I am staggered by the speed at which he hit the tractor , it is as though he hadn't slowed at all since leaving the track
I have read elsewhere that he was improving his times relative to the other cars immediately before he lost control ...can this really be true ?

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mika vs michael wrote:If Adrian Sutil is correct that there was a big patch of water that was not visible due to low light that led to his accident and then the same for Bianchi then FIA has some kind of responsibility. it was too dark, patches of water not visible, high possibility of aquaplaning so safety car should be out when sutil had his off road excursion.
It's easy to argue in hindsight, but I think the double yellows that were waved should be a sufficient way to handle that 'zone'. Double yellows, as far as I understand, means 'drive slow and be, if necessary, ready to stop'. Now I also understand that the cars now days are proportionally more difficult to drive under low speeds because they are much more reliant on downforce vs. mechanical grip - to a degree. Perhaps the argument should be; "what is the recommended speed when double yellows are being waved"? I feel this should be the responsibility of the driver to make the right adjustments to his speeds. If visibility wasn't good enough to see the double yellow, than that of course poses a problem that needs to be solved and analysed.

As for the accident; On what tyres was Bianchi during his accident? Inters or full wets?
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What a speed, you would think he had a brake failure, unbelievable.