2019 [R09] Austrian Grand Prix, Spielberg, 28-30 June

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Re: 2019 [R09] Austrian Grand Prix, Spielberg, 28-30 June

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Holm86 wrote:
30 Jun 2019, 17:08
People are whining about there no racing in Formula 1, and when there finally is some racing and battle for position, people are still whining
The lap before was great racing though and that lap up to then too. If Max didnt push him off the track via touching that great racing would have continued some more. It stopped after Max did that so actually your comment is backing the wrong horse
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Just_a_fan wrote:
30 Jun 2019, 17:05
GPR -A wrote:
30 Jun 2019, 17:02
Copybook 2016 move! Ferrari have every right to demand a penalty to Verstappen.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-UWxVBXkAI8efl.jpg:large
Max turned in to the corner, Rosberg didn't. Big difference.
The line was the same. If he turned the wheel and the car didn't follow, that's his fault for overshooting the corner.

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F1NAC wrote:
30 Jun 2019, 17:04
Brenton wrote:
30 Jun 2019, 16:58
Horner: "He has to concede the corner" -
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Except he doesn't need to. he was side by side..

https://i.imgur.com/oiQ0Fyk.png
On Sky most of the staff is implying that it doesn't matter that he was side by side. I think that's ridiculous but apparently many think that in F1 a driver on the inside is allowed to shove their opponent off track when exiting a corner side by side. Effectively means that we shouldn't ever expect two cars to exit a corner side by side any more because the outside driver has no right to be there allegedly and is at risk of being run off track if they don't concede.

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Holm86 wrote:
30 Jun 2019, 17:08
People are whining about there no racing in Formula 1, and when there finally is some racing and battle for position, people are still whining
Fighting for position side by side is racing, I want to see that all day every day. Pushing people off track to gain a position is not racing.

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The thing is... You can overtake without having to bang wheels with your rivals... Sainz went through the Midfield from the back with not a single contact incident :)


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atanatizante wrote:
30 Jun 2019, 17:11
... and another argument about the return of RB master tyre management: Leclerc just confirmed that on Sky interview acknowledging the difference between Ferrari and RB it was that the latter has had better tyre management in the race ...
Around 60 degree track temperature throughout the race certainly help in bringing temperature into tyres, which the RB has struggled to put into throughout the season. Mercedes miscalculating the cooling requirements for the race and as a result, forced to run conservatively adds to the broth, hence, a perfect race of lucky circumstances.

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SmallSoldier wrote:
30 Jun 2019, 17:13
The thing is... You can overtake without having to bang wheels with your rivals... Sainz went through the Midfield from the back with not a single contact incident :)


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Now if we could see how he did it :D

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Verstappen being a dirty again. The previous lap, he saw what happened when Leclerc managed to hang on round the outside, and the next time it happened, just blatantly slammed into him. I'm surprised this wasn't decided before the race ended, let alone the podium ceremony.
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Re: 2019 [R09] Austrian Grand Prix, Spielberg, 28-30 June

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Gravel trap on the outside that corner would have been more definite on the outcome. Pushing a driver off the track would have consequences.
Always find the gap then use it.

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DiogoBrand wrote:
30 Jun 2019, 17:12
Just_a_fan wrote:
30 Jun 2019, 17:05
GPR -A wrote:
30 Jun 2019, 17:02
Copybook 2016 move! Ferrari have every right to demand a penalty to Verstappen.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-UWxVBXkAI8efl.jpg:large
Max turned in to the corner, Rosberg didn't. Big difference.
The line was the same. If he turned the wheel and the car didn't follow, that's his fault for overshooting the corner.
No, it really wasn't. Rosberg was almost off the track before turning , Max was turning all the way through.
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DutchDopey wrote:
30 Jun 2019, 16:41
You want racing or a parade.... that is the decision now.
There was a way to make it clean. He should've let off the brakes a little bit and head straight a bit more, putting his nose ahead and making a block pass. When Leclered managed to equal him on the outside a second time, he just couldn't take it and reverted back to his factory settings :lol:
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DutchDopey wrote:
30 Jun 2019, 17:09
https://youtu.be/AVzyaE-RXSs?t=1.42 @ 1.40 , no penalty
First of all, they didn't touch, secondly Verstappen wasn't fully off track. Yes, the Manouver was hard, but no comparison to what we saw today.

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astracrazy wrote:
30 Jun 2019, 17:11
Holm86 wrote:
30 Jun 2019, 17:08
People are whining about there no racing in Formula 1, and when there finally is some racing and battle for position, people are still whining
The lap before was great racing though and that lap up to then too. If Max didnt push him off the track via touching that great racing would have continued some more. It stopped after Max did that so actually your comment is backing the wrong horse
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FittingMechanics wrote:
SmallSoldier wrote:
30 Jun 2019, 17:13
The thing is... You can overtake without having to bang wheels with your rivals... Sainz went through the Midfield from the back with not a single contact incident :)


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Now if we could see how he did it :D
F1TV! It worked for a change and has both Sainz and Lando’s on boards on :)


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atanatizante wrote:
30 Jun 2019, 17:11
... and another argument about the return of RB master tyre management: Leclerc just confirmed that on Sky interview acknowledging the difference between Ferrari and RB it was that the latter has had better tyre management in the race ...
RB are probably kinder on tires but I think this has more to do with tire strategy, Leclerc put his hard tires on 10 laps before Max did, it wasn't a fair fight.

Ferrari's choice of starting on the soft was a bad one