Lewis Hamilton has won the Turkish Grand Prix in Istanbul after closely following the Red Bulls until they knocked each other out. Jenson Button was second, while Mark Webber managed to finish third after an extra stop. Sebastian Vettel didn't make it to the finish.
Indeed. Now that it transpires that Red Bull 'allowed' Vettel to turn up his engine (or vice versa) the difference in speed he had was incredible. I don't know what they were playing at with the McLarens just a few tenths behind.autogyro wrote:It proves just how much slower the RBs were going to ensure reliability.
Sorry 0.2-3 was what Whitmarsh claimed. I see no reason to not believe it http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84018marcush. wrote: .3-.4s per race...omg ..by the end of the year they will lap the field by half distance...
Where is the source saying he turned it up?? Do you have a link? All I have read is that he stayed on the optimal map for 1 lap longer than MW who turned his down.segedunum wrote:Indeed. Now that it transpires that Red Bull 'allowed' Vettel to turn up his engine (or vice versa) the difference in speed he had was incredible. I don't know what they were playing at with the McLarens just a few tenths behind.autogyro wrote:It proves just how much slower the RBs were going to ensure reliability.
Which isn't terribly reassuring. The difference in speed Vettel suddenly had was mind boggling.thestig84 wrote:If by sand bagging you mean managing the car to help reach the finish then Mclaren were 'sand bagging! from lap 18!! Button said he was told to save fuel from lap 20 and Lewis 2 laps earlier.
They're still a long way from finding the downforce that they need. They've managed to mitigate it on tracks with some straights but they can't stop Red Bull suddenly winning three or four races in a row. As soon as Red Bull get a few kph from their own F-duct, and they're not looking for it to be spectacular, there's little else McLaren can really do.Ill try to remember you so confidently stating that Mclaren wont catch RedBull with their development path.
MW reckons they are bringing average of 0.3-4 per race.
Total bollocks. If that was the case they would have overtaken Red Bull by now and they'd be gaining several seconds per season.You think that if it gives you comfort, but various teams still have no idea what they should be copying.where as the rb6 is a well understood evolution
That's incorrect. Vettel suddenly became much faster than both Webber and Hamilton. It wasn't a case of Webber slowing down.dannyteasdale wrote:Its come out that Webber had to conserve fuel, not Vettel turning his engine up.
Who said they need to copy it?? the RB the best car right now but if Mclaren can keep finding gains their own way it is better than wasting energy trying to copy concepts they may not fully grasp or work well on the 25segedunum wrote:You think that if it gives you comfort, but various teams still have no idea what they should be copying.where as the rb6 is a well understood evolution
Errrr, I do. There's no way anyone is gaining that kind of time every race. It's a few tenths every few races - at best.thestig84 wrote:Sorry 0.2-3 was what Whitmarsh claimed. I see no reason to not believe it http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84018
Turkey may very well be the highest fuel consumption track of the year, the teams may have been at the extreme limit of their fuel tanks... if they designed the tanks bigger during the winter they would be carrying fuel tanks that are too large for the rest of the tracks for the whole season.marcush. wrote:+1 my thoughts but then not only Virgin seems to have gotten something wrong in their fuel calculations?? see Mclaren also in fuel conserving mode ..Giblet wrote:Maybe RedBull should put enough fuel in their cars to run the whole race at 10/10ths.
Oh. Yeah. That's what I meant.Saribro wrote:If by Kubica you mean Petrov, then yes.
Why would he do such a dumb thing? Think for a minute what risks were involved and what benefits could have come from it. Vettel simply wanted to use his additional 1 kg of fuel for one fast lap and pass Webber to avoid falling into Hamilton's clutches IMO. Wheel banging was bearing the equal chance of Webber, Vettel or both going out with damage and no points.BreezyRacer wrote:I wonder if Vettel didn't try to bang wheels with Mark and just missed ..
it still is a 19 races season how about the embarassment to not be able to win because of your tank size...when everyone and his dog laughed out loud about wirth research getting their figures wrong..you cannot size your fuel tank for 18 races ,can you?ISLAMATRON wrote:Turkey may very well be the highest fuel consumption track of the year, the teams may have been at the extreme limit of their fuel tanks... if they designed the tanks bigger during the winter they would be carrying fuel tanks that are too large for the rest of the tracks for the whole season.marcush. wrote:+1 my thoughts but then not only Virgin seems to have gotten something wrong in their fuel calculations?? see Mclaren also in fuel conserving mode ..Giblet wrote:Maybe RedBull should put enough fuel in their cars to run the whole race at 10/10ths.
