[ 2020 ] Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

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johnboyholmes wrote:
29 Nov 2020, 08:59
M840TR wrote:
28 Nov 2020, 20:13
Norris has been quite disappointing as of late, slower in quali, slower in race.
In the last race Lando set the fastest, third, fourth and fifth fastest laps. That isn't slow, it is next level!
Some fast laps means nothing. We all know Mclaren is far from faster than Mercedes and RedBull, yet lando did those fastest laps. Did you hear someone saying McLaren was faster than Mercedes and RedBull? Obviously no. That also applies to his race pace, some quick laps at the end of the race means nothing about his average race pace wich is what counts on sundays

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Andres125sx wrote:
johnboyholmes wrote:
29 Nov 2020, 08:59
M840TR wrote:
28 Nov 2020, 20:13
Norris has been quite disappointing as of late, slower in quali, slower in race.
In the last race Lando set the fastest, third, fourth and fifth fastest laps. That isn't slow, it is next level!
Some fast laps means nothing. We all know Mclaren is far from faster than Mercedes and RedBull, yet lando did those fastest laps. Did you hear someone saying McLaren was faster than Mercedes and RedBull? Obviously no. That also applies to his race pace, some quick laps at the end of the race means nothing about his average race pace wich is what counts on sundays
Actually, he is making a valid point... In a day where the driver’s matter more than usual because of the conditions and with Mclaren not having the fastest car on the grid, Lando put a string of fastest laps, which shows that he has good pace.


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Chicane wrote:If you look at Ricciardo's season so far he has delivered week in week out on Saturdays which makes his job so much more easier on Sundays. This is F1 where every tenth counts and in midfield every tenth is gold dust. I am sad to say we have failed to see where the car truly stands on Saturdays off late. Sainz has been decent but Lando has been miserable on Saturdays and next season he will be exposed massively if he does not raise his game. Mclaren are aiming t to return to the sharp end of the grid and they cannot afford a driver who leaves a couple of tenths on the table on Saturdays.
A few things I disagree with you... RIC hasn’t deliver on Saturday’s “week in week out” unless your only point of reference is RIC beating OCO... If that’s the unit of measure, I would say yes, but Estaban is having a very bad season so far, not only in terms of personal performance, but the car has failed him a lot too and that hurts anyone’s confidence.

I will agree that we haven’t watch the MCL35’s optimal pace in Qualy, but it has been more because of track conditions (Germany, Turkey) than because of the drivers.

Now, to say that Lando’s Saturday performance is “miserable” is unwarranted, not only he is on a very tight battle with Sainz in regards to their Qualy battle, the fact that he comes out and says that he left a tenth on the track doesn’t make it miserable... I actually believe that both Carlos and Lando are doing a fantastic job on Saturday’s

The MCL35 is NOT the third fastest car, I don’t understand why there is an expectation that they should be P5 - P6 in qualifying when the car doesn’t deserve that spot... Thinking about it, the fact that there is an expectation that the team will be at the front of the midfield battle on Saturday’s says a lot of how well both drivers are performing on Saturdays.


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Also, this has been a really difficult year for the drivers as the car is going through a transformation to prepare for 2021.

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billamend wrote:Also, this has been a really difficult year for the drivers as the car is going through a transformation to prepare for 2021.
Absolutely... And the team is still fine tuning parts for 2021, Carlos was using the new wing in FP1 this weekend, but they both reverted to the old front wing for Qualifying.

Also, hopefully the team has also setup the car to deal better with the tires this weekend since that will probably be more important than raw pace itself.


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And Norris was testing the 2021 floor (with the badgeboard cutout).

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SmallSoldier wrote:
29 Nov 2020, 15:48
Chicane wrote:If you look at Ricciardo's season so far he has delivered week in week out on Saturdays which makes his job so much more easier on Sundays. This is F1 where every tenth counts and in midfield every tenth is gold dust. I am sad to say we have failed to see where the car truly stands on Saturdays off late. Sainz has been decent but Lando has been miserable on Saturdays and next season he will be exposed massively if he does not raise his game. Mclaren are aiming t to return to the sharp end of the grid and they cannot afford a driver who leaves a couple of tenths on the table on Saturdays.
A few things I disagree with you... RIC hasn’t deliver on Saturday’s “week in week out” unless your only point of reference is RIC beating OCO... If that’s the unit of measure, I would say yes, but Estaban is having a very bad season so far, not only in terms of personal performance, but the car has failed him a lot too and that hurts anyone’s confidence.

I will agree that we haven’t watch the MCL35’s optimal pace in Qualy, but it has been more because of track conditions (Germany, Turkey) than because of the drivers.

Now, to say that Lando’s Saturday performance is “miserable” is unwarranted, not only he is on a very tight battle with Sainz in regards to their Qualy battle, the fact that he comes out and says that he left a tenth on the track doesn’t make it miserable... I actually believe that both Carlos and Lando are doing a fantastic job on Saturday’s

The MCL35 is NOT the third fastest car, I don’t understand why there is an expectation that they should be P5 - P6 in qualifying when the car doesn’t deserve that spot... Thinking about it, the fact that there is an expectation that the team will be at the front of the midfield battle on Saturday’s says a lot of how well both drivers are performing on Saturdays.


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I think there isn’t an expectation of P5/6 before the weekend but after Friday and Saturday morning- hell even how Q1 panned out we should have looked for a P5/6.
Then when Norris says after quali he made a mistake and lost 1 -2 tenths for the second successive weekend he’s bound to get some flak
Just a fan's point of view

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Sainz only one with Softs! Interesting strategy!

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Carlos on Softs to start the race??? Unexpected... I would have expected Hards actually


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CjC wrote:
SmallSoldier wrote:
29 Nov 2020, 15:48
Chicane wrote:If you look at Ricciardo's season so far he has delivered week in week out on Saturdays which makes his job so much more easier on Sundays. This is F1 where every tenth counts and in midfield every tenth is gold dust. I am sad to say we have failed to see where the car truly stands on Saturdays off late. Sainz has been decent but Lando has been miserable on Saturdays and next season he will be exposed massively if he does not raise his game. Mclaren are aiming t to return to the sharp end of the grid and they cannot afford a driver who leaves a couple of tenths on the table on Saturdays.
A few things I disagree with you... RIC hasn’t deliver on Saturday’s “week in week out” unless your only point of reference is RIC beating OCO... If that’s the unit of measure, I would say yes, but Estaban is having a very bad season so far, not only in terms of personal performance, but the car has failed him a lot too and that hurts anyone’s confidence.

I will agree that we haven’t watch the MCL35’s optimal pace in Qualy, but it has been more because of track conditions (Germany, Turkey) than because of the drivers.

Now, to say that Lando’s Saturday performance is “miserable” is unwarranted, not only he is on a very tight battle with Sainz in regards to their Qualy battle, the fact that he comes out and says that he left a tenth on the track doesn’t make it miserable... I actually believe that both Carlos and Lando are doing a fantastic job on Saturday’s

The MCL35 is NOT the third fastest car, I don’t understand why there is an expectation that they should be P5 - P6 in qualifying when the car doesn’t deserve that spot... Thinking about it, the fact that there is an expectation that the team will be at the front of the midfield battle on Saturday’s says a lot of how well both drivers are performing on Saturdays.


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I think there isn’t an expectation of P5/6 before the weekend but after Friday and Saturday morning- hell even how Q1 panned out we should have looked for a P5/6.
Then when Norris says after quali he made a mistake and lost 1 -2 tenths for the second successive weekend he’s bound to get some flak
All drivers leave a tenth or two usually on Saturday’s... Rarely do they put all their sectors together in one lap... Lando is just vocal about it and that’s a good thing, he might be his biggest critic.


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Yeah I’m not a fan of that strategy at all. Safety car would be ideal or a few overtakes at the start

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If we are on a Red flag... Can Lando change his wing without penalty?


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Why not? Stroll changed his tyres. I don't see why they wouldn't let him change his damaged wing.

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I suggest Carlos will change his soft tires right?

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Norris had a good start but a weak first 2 corners :(