Chinese GP 2012 - Shanghai

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could it be that the mclaren strategy was a bad?

Everytime after the pitstops other cars were 0,5 sec in front of the Mc.
And then they lost time by overtaking

Edit: vettel was strong today. but there were the tyres....

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Maelstrom wrote:Temper tantrums from the World champion? What did he expect. His tyres were probably finished.
I wouldn't go so far as saying it's temper tantrums this time, but I thought it was very telling the way he spat out the word 'ridiculous'. Like he isn't aware of the fact that the Red Bull has not been focused on straight line speed for the last couple of years, and that he doesn't know the tradeoffs that are made. He's benefitting elsewhere in the lap but has to pay the price of low straight line speed.

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McMrocks wrote:could it be that the mclaren strategy was a bad?

Everytime after the pitstops other cars were 0,5 sec in front of the Mc.
And then they lost time by overtaking

Edit: vettel was strong today. but there were the tyres....
The way those tyres fell off I'm not surprised Vettel thought the way he was passed made him feel it was ridiculous...frustrating to say the least after having such an awesome race....imagine how Kimi must have felt...for him ridiculous doesn't come close to a description.. :lol:
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McMrocks wrote:could it be that the mclaren strategy was a bad?

Everytime after the pitstops other cars were 0,5 sec in front of the Mc.
And then they lost time by overtaking

Edit: vettel was strong today. but there were the tyres....
They definitely had the wrong strategy. I think they were reacting to Webber and thought Mercedes would also run a three stopper. With hindsight they'd probably go for a two stop. Their tyres looked like they were hanging on well but they didn't want to give track position to Webber, something they got wrong for Lewis in the last stops but fortunately he was able to get back past.

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Traction wrote:
McMrocks wrote:could it be that the mclaren strategy was a bad?

Everytime after the pitstops other cars were 0,5 sec in front of the Mc.
And then they lost time by overtaking

Edit: vettel was strong today. but there were the tyres....
The way those tyres fell off I'm not surprised Vettel thought the way he was passed made him feel it was ridiculous...frustrating to say the least after having such an awesome race....imagine how Kimi must have felt...for him ridiculous doesn't come close to a description.. :lol:
He was actually complaining about how they'd had no straight line speed all race. Plus you have to remember that the only reason he had track position in the first place was due to a well timed two stop strategy with a relatively early second stop giving him the undercut.

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Traction wrote:
McMrocks wrote:could it be that the mclaren strategy was a bad?

Everytime after the pitstops other cars were 0,5 sec in front of the Mc.
And then they lost time by overtaking

Edit: vettel was strong today. but there were the tyres....
The way those tyres fell off I'm not surprised Vettel thought the way he was passed made him feel it was ridiculous...frustrating to say the least after having such an awesome race....imagine how Kimi must have felt...for him ridiculous doesn't come close to a description.. :lol:
right. the strategy of Lotus :shock:
poor Kimi. he was so much faster than grojean.

when webber stopped at lap 7 i thought that this cant be truth...

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First of all, I have to say that this was THE BEST RACE I have watched in a long time.

The three week wait was WELL worth it and I was on the edge of my seat the whole time.

Beautiful RACING. The drivers were tough, but the racing was almost completely clean apart from some wheel rims banging.


McLaren still screwing their drivers in the garage/pit/strategy however......


I was disappointed to see Rosberg going backwards in the past two races after building up so much momentum towards the end of the 2011 season so it's good to see him benefit.

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Just wondering if the F duct that Mercedes have will benefit them as much in the upcoming race as it did in China with it's long straights. With the straighline speed a huge advantage in this instance its benefitted from. In the track without the long straights maybe the straighline speed will be to some extent be negated.
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Amazing race, thought I was watching NASCAR open wheel edition the racing was so close!! :D

Webber making that 3 stopper work was pretty impressive and getting by golden balls on the last lap was just a lovely moment! :lol:

PS, they buggered up the DRS zone, it was obviously slightly too short as opposed to last year where it was slightly too long! #-o
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Traction wrote:Just wondering if the F duct that Mercedes have will benefit them as much in the upcoming race as it did in China with it's long straights. With the straighline speed a huge advantage in this instance its benefitted from. In the track without the long straights maybe the straighline speed will be to some extent be negated.
It will also be hotter in Bahrain. That might make a lot of difference.

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Traction wrote:Just wondering if the F duct that Mercedes have will benefit them as much in the upcoming race as it did in China with it's long straights. With the straighline speed a huge advantage in this instance is benefitted from. In the track without the long straights maybe the straighline speed will be to some extent be negated.
Rosberg was pulling away from everyone and maintaining his lead with no one in front of him so his DRS wasn't actually the reason why he won this race.

The track temps in Bahrain are vastly different to what they experienced here, so their tyre degradation problems aren't totally proven to be gone.

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Traction wrote:Just wondering if the F duct that Mercedes have will benefit them as much in the upcoming race as it did in China with it's long straights. With the straighline speed a huge advantage in this instance its benefitted from. In the track without the long straights maybe the straighline speed will be to some extent be negated.
Again, how often did Rosberg get to use the DRS in the race? That car was quick without it. The Mercedes isn't just a one trick pony. Have they solved their tyre issues? In hot weather probably not completely, but let's see what happens. I think they'll still be there or there abouts in Bahrain, but maybe they'll be the ones that have to run an extra pit stop.

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djos wrote:Amazing race, thought I was watching NASCAR open wheel edition the racing was so close!! :D

Webber making that 3 stopper work was pretty impressive and getting by golden balls on the last lap was just a lovely moment! :lol:

PS, they buggered up the DRS zone, it was obviously slightly too short as opposed to last year where it was slightly too long! #-o
i think drs zone was ok. the problem was the low top speed of some cars.
And there were many cars in a line which all can open the drs.

but remember that drs is the worst thing i ever saw in F1. that is not racing

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Nando wrote:Please keep it on the subject at hand.
I'll address this once more, because there's only one member on this forum with whom I think it's completely acceptable for me to lose my cool, and you aren't that member. Otherwise, it leaves me with an empty feeling that I don't like.

That a car will reach its top speed on a massive straight is such a given that it never crossed my mind for a second that it was in doubt. I posted trap speeds from China, even though the topic of discussion isn't limited to China, because they show a direct comparison between the F2012 and both the best car so far this year and the best team over the last few years. I posted it because there's no reason in the world for the F2012 to be among that company, even if it is around the bottom of the top-speed pecking order.

I firmly believe that the F2012's top speed issues are traction-related, because a preponderance of evidence bears this out. I also firmly believe that the team is aware of this as well and have geared the car accordingly. Otherwise, it simply makes no sense for them to gear the car to its potential when it's not reaching that potential at all. One must deal with the car at hand, not with the car one wants.

I do hope that, combined with previous posts on this issue, I have now made myself clear.

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GrizzleBoy wrote:
Traction wrote:Just wondering if the F duct that Mercedes have will benefit them as much in the upcoming race as it did in China with it's long straights. With the straighline speed a huge advantage in this instance is benefitted from. In the track without the long straights maybe the straighline speed will be to some extent be negated.
Rosberg was pulling away from everyone and maintaining his lead with no one in front of him so his DRS wasn't actually the reason why he won this race.

The track temps in Bahrain are vastly different to what they experienced here, so their tyre degradation problems aren't totally proven to be gone.
Agree. But this race certainly proves that Merc has decent race pace if they get their tires right.