COVID-19 could affect more races this year.

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sosic2121 wrote:Maybe Chinese GP could be held after all.

It seems virus is contained in China, number of active cases is falling, and number of newly infected is around 20 daily and also falling.
Not sure if this comment is a joke, but teams will struggle to enter China. China is closing it's doors to the outside world in order to contain the virus.
Always find the gap then use it.

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sosic2121 wrote:
14 Mar 2020, 09:54
Maybe Chinese GP could be held after all.

It seems virus is contained in China, number of active cases is falling, and number of newly infected is around 20 daily and also falling.
If you understand Chinese government enough you will know you should take their data as a grain of salt.

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Epicenter is now in Europe. It will move to USA, them spreading the whole American continent. So starting this season June is realistic, maybe even later.

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Big Tea wrote:
14 Mar 2020, 00:53
henry wrote:
14 Mar 2020, 00:46
Big Tea wrote:
14 Mar 2020, 00:34


For the early part of the outbreak the services will not be overloaded and specialist beds will be available for a higher % of needy cases, but as numbers go up, the line between needing specialise beds and those not getting them will lower so more and more will not be treated as the facilities are plain not available.
Probably many of those that die in later days would have survived if the services were as available as in early cases.
Your analysis tells us what we need to do.

Those of us at higher risk need to work hard at not being exposed to potential carriers.

Those at lower risk need to work hard at not infecting those at higher risk.
Again, far easier to do early in the outbreak. As time goes on people get more used to the 'risk' and get sloppy or inattentive. Its human nature that urgency wears off with time.
Easier but not absolute. There are many people who won’t see the need to take action even now, or in fact won’t even think about it. However, if enough people treat the situation defensively it will go a long way to easing the burden on the health system.

It’s like defensive driving. Always assume that the drivers manoeuvring about you may not be considering your safety, or even their own, and act appropriately.
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Days ago I think I saw someone asking how much does a sars-cov-2 test cost?
Since the Italian government has just bought a bunch of this stuff, this is how much we paid for each one:
test: 13.4 € + VAT
swab : 2.25€ + VAT

The results are available in less than 90 minutes.
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JonoNic wrote:
14 Mar 2020, 10:00
sosic2121 wrote:Maybe Chinese GP could be held after all.

It seems virus is contained in China, number of active cases is falling, and number of newly infected is around 20 daily and also falling.
Not sure if this comment is a joke, but teams will struggle to enter China. China is closing it's doors to the outside world in order to contain the virus.
And from the data I've seen, they succeeded. At the moment China is probably safer place to be then let's say Netherlands, which "could" be the first race.

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sosic2121 wrote:
JonoNic wrote:
14 Mar 2020, 10:00
sosic2121 wrote:Maybe Chinese GP could be held after all.

It seems virus is contained in China, number of active cases is falling, and number of newly infected is around 20 daily and also falling.
Not sure if this comment is a joke, but teams will struggle to enter China. China is closing it's doors to the outside world in order to contain the virus.
And from the data I've seen, they succeeded. At the moment China is probably safer place to be then let's say Netherlands, which "could" be the first race.
Okay. I now understand what you are saying. However, China's financial strength comes mainly from its local market. That's why businesses outside Wuhan is practically in full swing. They will not be worrying about Formula One now. I guess that's the benefit of having 1.3 billion people as a local market
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JonoNic wrote:
14 Mar 2020, 11:32
sosic2121 wrote:
JonoNic wrote:
14 Mar 2020, 10:00
Not sure if this comment is a joke, but teams will struggle to enter China. China is closing it's doors to the outside world in order to contain the virus.
And from the data I've seen, they succeeded. At the moment China is probably safer place to be then let's say Netherlands, which "could" be the first race.
Okay. I now understand what you are saying. However, China's financial strength comes mainly from its local market. That's why businesses outside Wuhan is practically in full swing. They will not be worrying about Formula One now. I guess that's the benefit of having 1.3 billion people as a local market
China has defeated the virus in three months of closure and more. First It wont be open to europe before we defeat the virus too, so several months depending on each country strategy, second i don't know where you get the impression that Netherlands Will be a virus free zone when even a single Person can cause the epidemy. Or you confide that the virus Will be defeated by then?

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Now they have the logistical nightmare to ship everything back to hq and probably they already shipped non critical toolsets/fuel/tires to china.

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sosic2121 wrote:
14 Mar 2020, 11:22
JonoNic wrote:
14 Mar 2020, 10:00
sosic2121 wrote:Maybe Chinese GP could be held after all.

It seems virus is contained in China, number of active cases is falling, and number of newly infected is around 20 daily and also falling.
Not sure if this comment is a joke, but teams will struggle to enter China. China is closing it's doors to the outside world in order to contain the virus.
And from the data I've seen, they succeeded. At the moment China is probably safer place to be then let's say Netherlands, which "could" be the first race.
China would not be very eager to invite people from other countries in at that moment I guess. Imagine that, having been in full lockdown for months, only to see it all be negated because some people came in to race.

Or for some other activity. This is what will happen anyway, the virus is not going to be contained. Which is why I applaud the response of the Dutch government to take measures to slow the outbreak as much as possible without going in total lockdown. But yeah, that slowing will mean Zandvoort is 95% certainly off the table in may. Let's hope they find another date.

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strad wrote:
13 Mar 2020, 21:15
Anyone who thinks "another flu" isn't scary doesn't realize
What people don't seem to get is that your seasonal flu has killed over 20,000 people in the U.S. this year alone.
IF you have compromised health then any flu can be deadly.
The "flu is worse" brigade because flu has killed more people so far whilst discounting how many people were infected in the first place.

20,000 deaths out of how many infections? Here is a clue, the mortality rate of flu is roughly ~0.28%. So just over 7,000,000 infections.

Coronavirus has a mortality rate of ~3%. So if the same amount of people caught coronavirus then ~210,000 would be dead so far this year.

That makes coronavirus worse, especially as in some countries the mortality rate is 7%.

Seriously, governments arent closing down borders, locking down countries and tanking economies over something less serious than the flu.

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astracrazy wrote:
14 Mar 2020, 12:51
strad wrote:
13 Mar 2020, 21:15
Anyone who thinks "another flu" isn't scary doesn't realize
What people don't seem to get is that your seasonal flu has killed over 20,000 people in the U.S. this year alone.
IF you have compromised health then any flu can be deadly.
The "flu is worse" brigade because flu has killed more people so far whilst discounting how many people were infected in the first place.

20,000 deaths out of how many infections? Here is a clue, the mortality rate of flu is roughly ~0.28%. So just over 7,000,000 infections.

Coronavirus has a mortality rate of ~3%. So if the same amount of people caught coronavirus then ~210,000 would be dead so far this year.

That makes coronavirus worse, especially as in some countries the mortality rate is 7%.

Seriously, governments arent closing down borders, locking down countries and tanking economies over something less serious than the flu.
The mortality rate Is so High because people with weak symptoms Arent even diagnosed.... But that also Means both the contagio rate and the mortality rate are much higher than normal flu
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Big Tea wrote:
14 Mar 2020, 00:34
Phil wrote:
14 Mar 2020, 00:09
timbo wrote:
13 Mar 2020, 20:23

They probably only test severe cases, so the number is inflated. But no doubt, the situation is not good. Especially the number of ICU patients.
Just looking at the number of “closed” cases is scary enough, given the converging rate of deaths vs recovered and the outcome of the rest still unclear.

People should go back 14 days to what Italy was at the point rest of Europe is now. Fatality rate is yet to go up in all our countries once those that are infected have gone through the stages of the illness and as more cases surface, the less resources will be around to help.

2 weeks ago, most of us were going by daily life and our usual business.
For the early part of the outbreak the services will not be overloaded and specialist beds will be available for a higher % of needy cases, but as numbers go up, the line between needing specialise beds and those not getting them will lower so more and more will not be treated as the facilities are plain not available.
Probably many of those that die in later days would have survived if the services were as available as in early cases.
That s exactly why British herd immunization strategy Will be a disaster

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Events like this have the possibility of creating a "new normal". Apparently Brawn is talking about lots of back-to-back-to-back races consisting of two-day weekends. Imagine. Free practice Saturday morning. Qualifying Saturday afternoon. Sunday Morning Warm-Up like the old days. And then let's go racing Sunday afternoon. Such a structure might very well turn out to be very popular. Not to mention the possible cost savings.

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there are all these different perspectives on it. I thought i'd look up the normal death rate in the UK: it's about 1% per year, 48,000 a month, 1640 a day

about 47% die in hospital, that's 770 a day, normally