I agree with this one.Maelstrom wrote:I think if it wasn't for team orders Perez would have taken Button today.
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I agree with this one.Maelstrom wrote:I think if it wasn't for team orders Perez would have taken Button today.
I know the mistake is already in the Race 4 update, but I'll quote the last one regardless. The Quali stats are the wrong way. Massa outqualified Alonso in Australia and Malaysia, but was beaten in China, Bahrain and Spain (for the slimmest of margins).beelsebob wrote:Update for 5 races
[...]
Ferrari
Massa has outqualified Alonso 3-2
Alonso has outraced Massa 4-1
Alonso has outscored Massa 1.6:1
Clear top dog: Alonso (Alonso ↑)
[...]
For now, I'd been doing it rather based on intuition. You're right, I should come up with some decent system for dealing with it. I'll have a think, and see if I can formalise it well.raymondu999 wrote:What are your threshold figures for fairly clear, clear, slim etc?
True, I'll make that adjustment.Maelstrom wrote:I think if it wasn't for team orders Perez would have taken Button today.
Van Der Garde was ahead when his tyre went rogue in Barcelona.beelsebob wrote:Caterham
Pic has outraced Van Der Garde 5-0
Are you serious ? There were no team orders in Australia, and since then Sutil has an incredible bad luck. But except Malaysia, his race pace has always been the better of two (China is uncomparable).Force India
DiResta has outqualified Sutil 4-1
DiResta has outraced Sutil 4-1 (though arguably this should be 5-0 thanks to team orders)
DiResta was instructed not to attempt to overtake Sutil in Australia. This was broadcast on TV. As with mnmracer's comment, this lists actual results, and team orders only. It does not cover anything to do with luck. For reference though, I don't think the result re DiResta v Sutil would be much different when including it:SchumiSutil wrote:Are you serious ? There were no team orders in Australia, and since then Sutil has an incredible bad luck. But except Malaysia, his race pace has always been the better of two (China is uncomparable).Force India
DiResta has outqualified Sutil 4-1
DiResta has outraced Sutil 4-1 (though arguably this should be 5-0 thanks to team orders)
I m ok with nearly everything you pointed out but this (bold is) is no no. And you know why, that is my point. Why you say that when you actually know better.beelsebob wrote:DiResta was instructed not to attempt to overtake Sutil in Australia. This was broadcast on TV. As with mnmracer's comment, this lists actual results, and team orders only. It does not cover anything to do with luck. For reference though, I don't think the result re DiResta v Sutil would be much different when including it:SchumiSutil wrote:Are you serious ? There were no team orders in Australia, and since then Sutil has an incredible bad luck. But except Malaysia, his race pace has always been the better of two (China is uncomparable).Force India
DiResta has outqualified Sutil 4-1
DiResta has outraced Sutil 4-1 (though arguably this should be 5-0 thanks to team orders)
Australia: Both drivers had a clean race, DiResta was ordered to stay behind.
Malaysia: Both drivers suffered the exact same issue, DiResta was ahead.
China: Sutil was ahead when he retired, but only because he punted DiResta off onto the grass.
Bahrain: A fair race between the two, DiReta wins it by some margin.
Spain: Same again.
Personally, I'd suggest that DiResta looks like being the strongest mid field driver on the grid this year.
Depends on how you define midfield though. For example - are Mercedes and McLaren midfielders? If that's a yes I'd say Rosberg and Hamilton are better midfielders than Di Resta. Their poles suggest otherwise, but their race pace is midfield at best. Generally speaking.beelsebob wrote:Personally, I'd suggest that DiResta looks like being the strongest mid field driver on the grid this year.
They've been (up until spain) consistently finishing in the top 5 with the odd result as low as 9. Given that the traditional definition of mid field (anyone other than the top block of teams, which is currently 4 teams), I'd suggest that the mid field requires you to average p8 or lower, but p18 or higher.raymondu999 wrote:Depends on how you define midfield though. For example - are Mercedes and McLaren midfielders? If that's a yes I'd say Rosberg and Hamilton are better midfielders than Di Resta. Their poles suggest otherwise, but their race pace is midfield at best. Generally speaking.beelsebob wrote:Personally, I'd suggest that DiResta looks like being the strongest mid field driver on the grid this year.
Taken with this?ChrisF1 wrote:I agree with this one.Maelstrom wrote:I think if it wasn't for team orders Perez would have taken Button today.
It doesn't really matter what they say – they were broadcast on live TV. Perez was asked not to pass.the user wrote:Perez flat spotted his left front badly when he was closing the gap to Button. Had they battled, I don't think either of them would have finished in the points. Btw, everyone at mclaren say that there were no team orders.
But it matters what you say? Ok. He was warned to look after his tyres - he was never told to not even try passing. We will never know if that phrase meant to hold station or not, maybe it did.beelsebob wrote:It doesn't really matter what they say – they were broadcast on live TV. Perez was asked not to pass.the user wrote:Perez flat spotted his left front badly when he was closing the gap to Button. Had they battled, I don't think either of them would have finished in the points. Btw, everyone at mclaren say that there were no team orders.