2011 Testing - Barcelona 18th - 21st Feb

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btw ..anyone knows how much the rearwing actuation is worth in terms of lap time from team to team?
a short chord flap vs long chord flap so many variables when someone is already raving about RedBull using it everywhere ... also on the long runs? So we know :we know nothing.

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marcush. wrote:has anyone else apart from Mercedes done a true Racesimulation? As I understand all others did some longruns interrupted by visits to the pits but not really a string of three longruns.
Mark Webber and Felipe Massa both did full race simulations today. In fact they are the only two to complete the full race distance uninterrupted.

Their respective times relative to one-another will astound you!

Webber ------- Massa
01:29.774 ---- 01:31.409
01:29.875 ---- 01:31.021
01:30.196 ---- 01:31.654
01:31.404 ---- 01:31.407
01:32.058 ---- 01:31.550
01:32.025 ---- 01:32.125
01:32.473 ---- 01:32.141
01:33.268 ---- 01:31.583
00:00.000 ---- 01:37.390
00:00.000 ---- 01:32.492
01:27.457 ---- 01:32.521
01:27.993 ---- 01:32.624
01:28.969 ---- 01:32.800
01:29.834 ---- 01:32.990
01:30.212 ---- 01:33.893
01:30.879 ---- 01:33.967
01:31.176 ---- 01:34.406
01:31.369 ---- 00:00.000
01:31.957 ---- 00:00.000
01:32.406 ---- 01:29.289
01:32.636 ---- 01:28.639
01:33.251 ---- 01:33.876
01:33.639 ---- 01:29.749
00:00.000 ---- 01:30.024
00:00.000 ---- 01:30.092
01:29.941 ---- 01:30.018
01:29.678 ---- 01:29.991
01:29.853 ---- 01:30.178
01:30.345 ---- 01:30.287
01:30.818 ---- 01:30.345
01:30.246 ---- 01:30.758
01:30.864 ---- 01:31.459
01:30.431 ---- 01:31.874
01:30.600 ---- 01:32.471
01:30.770 ---- 00:00.000
01:30.613 ---- 00:00.000
01:32.648 ---- 01:28.227
01:31.842 ---- 01:36.578
01:31.337 ---- 01:27.835
01:31.140 ---- 01:28.118
01:32.396 ---- 01:28.302
01:32.545 ---- 01:28.702
01:32.364 ---- 01:29.071
01:33.610 ---- 01:28.947
01:33.249 ---- 01:28.981
00:00.000 ---- 01:29.302
00:00.000 ---- 01:29.288
01:24.995 ---- 01:29.495
01:28.324 ---- 01:29.966
01:29.115 ---- 01:30.148
01:28.402 ---- 00:00.000
01:28.341 ---- 00:00.000
01:28.375 ---- 01:31.551
01:29.036 ---- 01:26.508
01:28.564 ---- 01:26.990
01:29.046 ---- 01:31.452
01:29.465 ---- 01:27.358
01:28.664 ---- 01:27.465
01:29.138 ---- 01:27.665
01:32.022 ---- 01:28.348
01:29.261 ---- 01:28.473
01:30.155 ---- 01:28.962
01:29.862 ---- 01:32.195
01:30.341 ---- 01:28.080
01:30.752 ---- 01:28.140
00:00.000 ---- 00:00.000

1:29:01.999 vs 1:29:01.170

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But the next person on that lits has still to do a aditional days testing tomorrow, and thats Webber. Webber did 647.045km today. So on comparison, Alonso is pace setting in terms of distance, but he is about 100km down on webber even if he does 130 laps tomorrow. I think Webber will do over 100 laps again tomorrow.

All we know is tomorrow Hispania will not be testing, as they have done their Barcelona test programme. Whitch signals to me they will pretty much announce their Driver Lineup as Liuzzi/Karthikeyan as race drivers and Mondini for 2011 at the next test, probably in Paul Ricard next week, and if Bahrain is canceled, id expect a one off for 2011 5th test at Valencia or another spanish track that dosnt have a booking. Id expect to see teams to aggree to this being a 3 day test where race drivers will only see one days action and the other for a Test/Reserve to step in.

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hm... but that´s not like Mercedes would be lapped when I look at the speed? it looks more like 10-15 seconds if at all...sure we don´t know the compounds they used...

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wow,that's what you call close... XD
RB will probably kick ass again in qually, and Ferrari will be better in race pace probably... or attleast on par with RB...
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marcush. wrote:btw ..anyone knows how much the rearwing actuation is worth in terms of lap time from team to team?
a short chord flap vs long chord flap so many variables when someone is already raving about RedBull using it everywhere ... also on the long runs? So we know :we know nothing.
Not only that, but one explanation would be that Red Bull may be able to use it everywhere because it's not as effective. If the other teams have more effective systems, they may have to wait before they can afford to lose that downforce.

Nothing to back that up, just saying...

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to me there are too many variables int he game right now .It´s not redbull and the reds dominating everything and noone is doing laptimes even near their pace.Of course they could pace themselves to be in the window but seriously why bother with other´s speed when you are miles ahead anyways? But in the light of this...

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Just did a quic calculation using the 2009 Toyota engine data that Williams gave out for fuel KG/lap and came to the conclusion that Rosberg had 30 KG of fuel on board when the did that lap today. I used the comparison time of last years pole time by Webber as a yard stick for ultimate pace as well to get a good accurate baseline for time +/- as well.

Its by no means scientific, but i did have a stab at trying to gain a handle for a posible pole time for this year, and came to a 1:18:888 allowing for the car to be 0.109 a lap faster on the 2011 testing time for every KG lost. This shows that the cars could be as much as 1.107s a lap faster in 2011.

EDIT:
Tried another method anc came to a pole time of 1.18:610 whitch is up on 2010 by 1.385s.

Dont take the figures at face value, i did some guess-timation on some of them.

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The Pirellis are meant to be up to 1.5 seconds slower arnt they?

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Hence why i said dont take the figures at face value, as it all asumes many constants, and one of them is tyres.

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If some car uses the RW flap everywhere on the long runs and they're doing similar lap times like others, it actually means that they have a disadvantage, because in real race situation you can't use it everywhere, but only for overtaking. Maybe they'll have an advantage in qualy, but not in race ( at least not becaus of RW flap adjusting ).

EDIT : It's good for masking your true performance if you're using it constantly though.

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that´s 6.6 seconds in laptime over a race distance,isn´t it? Some of the contenders do not show that sort of performance spread in their longruns...but wasn´t it Pirelli doing tyres that degrade more severe than Bridgestone?
We ain´t see anything and cetainly no one with a advantage as big as Brawn had in 2009..RedBull has not shown blistering pace yet.
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comparing long-run mass vs webber vs perez
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long run http://spontoncristiano.wordpress.com/

1 Webber Red Bull 1m23.442s
2 Buemi Toro Rosso 1m23.550s +0.108
3 Maldonado Williams 1m24.057s +0.615
4 Sutil Force India 1m24.226s +0.784
5 Massa Ferrari 1m24.929s +1.487
6 Hamilton McLaren 1m25.094s +1.652
7 Heidfeld Renault 1m26.203s +2.761
8 Perez Sauber 1m26.914s +3.472
9 Schumacher Mercedes 1m27.079s +3.637
10 Trulli Lotus 1m29.992s +6.550
11 D’Ambrosio Virgin 1m31.713s +8.271

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if youz missed it: Martin Brundle on Autosport.live:

"Drivers will bitch like crazy but I'm really liking what I'm seeing out on track. They are really having to drive the cars, loads of mistakes

"Mercedes has poor traction, McLaren looks shocking as if on cold tyres, Red Bull+Ferrari+Renault Lotus Lada+Williams all pounding round"
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