Is nuclear the way to go?

[dumrick]

Chernobyl discussions are void, by the lack of any reliable, verifiable studies.

What we know for sure is that the area now is a wildlife haven and "only" 48 deaths are to be attributed to the accident.

Also, the reports of deformities and cases of tyroid cancer were never proved to be statistically superior to the values for the same population before the accident.

Studies made with populations subjected to high radiation levels (airline flight attendants, for example) seem to indicate that there are levels of exposition that may even have beneficial health effects.

[dumrick]

Liquidators, 600.000 of them, they are either dead or dying or will die from it.

You are aware that everyone dies, right? Those inflated numbers were heavily publicized, but I've never seen a reliable study relating people's deaths and the radiation exposure.

[xpensive]

So what are some of you people saying here, because of a neanderthal graphite-reactor with virtually no outer casing or logic security system went amook during a rogue xperiment 24 years ago, the whole western world should scrap their entire microcosmos energy technology? The trident u-boats and aircraft carriers as well I guess?

In logic, everytime we here about 200 coal miners being trapped in the Ukraine or China we should call for a ban of mining as well?

[flynfrog]

And what, if I may be so bold to ask, culd be wrong with letting technology has its way with turning doomsday weapons into useful energy, apart from the usual fear of the unknown of course?

Oh c'mon. Fear is know, experienced, documented, filmed, lived by hundreds of thousands.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N43uHJR0WTo[/youtube]

flyinfrog, that's BS. Those 28 were immediate casualties. I have read various articles mentioning over 200.000 dead so far.

Whole Pripyat, some 75.000 people were exposed to deadly radiation for several days prior to being evacuated.

Liquidators, 600.000 of them, they are either dead or dying or will die from it.

Same goes for evacuees from highly-contaminated zone, Residents of “strict-control” zones, Residents of other ‘contaminated’ and thousands of people worldwide.

Don't forget the unborn children who will suffer and die from diseases caused by exposure their ancestors faced.

stories are nice lets see your sources

[flynfrog]

So what are some of you people saying here, because of a neanderthal graphite-reactor with virtually no outer casing or logic security system went amook during a rogue xperiment 24 years ago, the whole western world should scrap their entire microcosmos energy technology? The trident u-boats and aircraft carriers as well I guess?

In logic, everytime we here about 200 coal miners being trapped in the Ukraine or China we should call for a ban of mining as well?

right X we should go live in caves with no lights.

A 2001 study by the Paul Scherrer Institute in Switzerland (quoted in “The Revenge of Gaia”) found that, beteween 1970 and 1992, nuclear power had the best safety record of all major energy sources, both in terms of total deaths and deaths per terawatt of energy produced each year. The results for the top four sources were coal: 6,400 total deaths, 342 deaths per terawatt per year; hydro power: 4,000 total deaths, 884 deaths per terawatt per year; natural gas: 1,200 total deaths, 85 deaths per terawatt per year; nuclear power: 31 total deaths, 8 deaths per terawatt per year.

admitted copy paste^

[hollus]

Studies made with populations subjected to high radiation levels (airline flight attendants, for example) seem to indicate that there are levels of exposition that may even have beneficial health effects.

Beneficial? Really???!!!

[manchild]

Chernobyl discussions are void, by the lack of any reliable, verifiable studies.

What we know for sure is that the area now is a wildlife haven and "only" 48 deaths are to be attributed to the accident.

Also, the reports of deformities and cases of tyroid cancer were never proved to be statistically superior to the values for the same population before the accident.

Studies made with populations subjected to high radiation levels (airline flight attendants, for example) seem to indicate that there are levels of exposition that may even have beneficial health effects.

Those statement's of yours are way below my consideration of human decency and respect to over 200.000 victims so far, so I'll stop posting here. It's just as low as can be. If it was good and so mild, please dare and visit the plant today before saying anything even more idiotic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster_effects

[flynfrog]

I cannot see a disagreement in your figures because they fail to even show the quantity of the contamination in both cases. AFAIK in Japan there were no longer lasting consequences for humans inhabiting the areas. In Ukraine huge parts of the country have restrictions on the use of soil, agriculture, water distribution and other use of natural resources. Compiling figures about radiation doesn't even begin to describe the lasting consequences of the disaster for the people of Ukraine.



The permanent control zone seems to be pretty huge.

these pictures also don't show the water pollution caused by bio mass farming ect.

[Belatti]

Making a mistake should not lead you to forget the target, but to effectively hit it without doing the same mistake again.

Pain should not be forgoten but also you should not live with fear of it.

There is no way a large percentage of humans can stop being greedy. Greedy bastards are useful anyways.

If you are against nuke AND carbon then you should not live inside a house, get dressed, use cosmetics, drive or use any transport, use any electronic device and eat anything you have to pay for. Because you cant be against something you use.

And a final thought: the only energy production method that is close to almost free unlimited energy is nuclear.
Now, Im not saying actual nuke energy plants are fine, but the biggest leap foward we can do as earth inhabitants is inside this field. We are not going to extract more magical properties out of fosils or wind and sun.

Please Belatti, nuclear is not 'free' it comes with the biggest danger the human race is likely to face from its own actions.

Please re-read the part of the text I coloured for you in red.

The biggest danger the human race is likely to face is its own stupidity. We can kill ourselves with nukes or with stones.

[xpensive]

So what are some of you people saying here, because of a neanderthal graphite-reactor with virtually no outer casing or logic security system went amook during a rogue xperiment 24 years ago, the whole western world should scrap their entire microcosmos energy technology? The trident u-boats and aircraft carriers as well I guess?

In logic, everytime we here about 200 coal miners being trapped in the Ukraine or China we should call for a ban of mining as well?

As usual, I love to quote myself.

[autogyro]

Well we could always let America go all out with nuclear power.
When the first big disaster happens with a reactor or with the nuclear waste, then the same thing will happen to the American 'Empire' as happened to the Soviet Union, it will break up, driven by the greed and vested interest of those not contaminated.
Anybody for a little country called Washington State or independence for Hawaii.
Talk about greed driving suicide.

[dumrick]

Those statement's of yours are way below my consideration of human decency and respect to over 200.000 victims so far, so I'll stop posting here. It's just as low as can be. If it was good and so mild, please dare and visit the plant today before saying anything even more idiotic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster_effects

"Gullible" may not be the right term, but it's the one that springs to my mind.

I didn't do any studies in Chernobyl effects, I'm just aware of huge discrepancies between claims concerning its effects. So, as my opinions aren't tarnished by faith, I'm not buying any of the stories. I just wanted to let you know that what you take for a fact is disputed. And, if you just know those numbers from the media, you know nothing, you have an opinion. I reserve myself from having opinions based in what the media wants to feed me.

Beneficial? Really???!!!

There is really a study on that, but I don't know how credible it is.

[xpensive]

I still cannot for the life of me understand what the Chernobyl disaster has to be with the future of the world's nuclear future energy production, zip and zilch to my mind.

[autogyro]

I still cannot for the life of me understand what the Chernobyl disaster has to be with the future of the world's nuclear future energy production, zip and zilch to my mind.

Chernobyl wiped out a large part of the earths surface to use by ordinary life.
This is the most important thing in the history and existance of human beings,
Humans have fought and died in their Billions just to occupy land and nuclear poison destroys it. We no longer have any spare earth to risk throwing it away.
Chernobyl was the result of human idiocy, future disasters will be beacause of human greed and the actions of criminals.

[flynfrog]

I still cannot for the life of me understand what the Chernobyl disaster has to be with the future of the world's nuclear future energy production, zip and zilch to my mind.

Chernobyl wiped out a large part of the earths surface to use by ordinary life.
This is the most important thing in the history and existance of human beings,
Humans have fought and died in their Billions just to occupy land and nuclear poison destroys it. We no longer have any spare earth to risk throwing it away.
Chernobyl was the result of human idiocy, future disasters will be beacause of human greed and the actions of criminals.

but if would have been ok if it were a wind farm or a solar plant or a coal mine?