2012 Hungarian GP - Hungaroring

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MrBlacky wrote:Boring race in my eyes. RB fu**ed up Webbers strategy and McL Buttons as well. Superb drive from Hamilton and Lotus though.
I don't see how this was a boring race.

The Hungaroring is a great circuit and is a throwback to the narrower circuits of the past where if you were going to overtake another driver, you had to be willing to take risks.

It was a partial reminder of F1 as it was for many years.

The only thing lacking was the fact that no one is willing to push hard because it means the tires go off a cliff in a short amount of time. DRS was rendered useless because the main straight is not very long, and it goes right into a heavy braking zone. No sense in locking up the front right tire because trying to do something stupid results in the wrong line being taken into the corner. Not to mention all of the marbles all over the track in that area was a bit like the straight at Shanghai where going off the race line will destroy your tires.

We had a real brief glimpse near the end of what can be when the drivers truly push their cars hard.

Vettel started closing the gap with Grosjean because it was at a point in the race where he didn't need to worry about another pit. He was doing 2 seconds better which is something we're not seeing much of anymore because of the nature of the tires.

Just imagine how great it would be to watch these guys going flat-out, on the limit all race long every single race?

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Given that Spa isn't exactly overtake-anemic, and has a short pit length - I'm sure a 2s/lap advantage would effectively give you track position. Here's hoping a balls-out 3 stop will beat a tyre-saving 2 stop! :lol:

The Lotus doesn't really like the cold, but Kimi is good at Spa... should be interesting. Mercedes should be interesting too with Michael.
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I've just watched the race and only one comment to make: Raikkonen is a God! :)


Now my other comments :P


Kind of boring race bar Raikkonen :)

I am disappointed with Redbulls, surprised with 3-stop, especially for Webber, it was terrible.

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bhallg2k wrote:Anyone else see the irony in denouncing the appearance of an undesirable post that's only visible because it was quoted in the denunciations?
It completely ruined the sense of poetic justice too.

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FrukostScones wrote:@ SeijaKessen
I know this 1st ugly Maldonado video and also the Monaco story, but those other two vids you posted show nothing wreckless.
We've had our Maldonado disagreements before, so, I'll be fairly peaceful. Maldonado has speed. Of that, there is no question, but, throughout his international career, he has been wild and reckless, to say the least. If he tempered his speed with a little analytic ability, his season would be better by an order of magnitude. Who knows, maybe he'll pick it up from here on out, but surely you can admit that, during the last couple of seasons, he's constantly ruining his and other people's races through recklessness. No?
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Pierce89 wrote:
FrukostScones wrote:@ SeijaKessen
I know this 1st ugly Maldonado video and also the Monaco story, but those other two vids you posted show nothing wreckless.
We've had our Maldonado disagreements before, so, I'll be fairly peaceful. Maldonado has speed. Of that, there is no question, but, throughout his international career, he has been wild and reckless, to say the least. If he tempered his speed with a little analytic ability, his season would be better by an order of magnitude. Who knows, maybe he'll pick it up from here on out, but surely you can admit that, during the last couple of seasons, he's constantly ruining his and other people's races through recklessness. No?
I wholeheartedly agree. Mind you I don't think it's really something isolated to him - we've seen it quite a few times in the past. Vettel in 2009/2010 (he wasn't as bad, but you get the picture), Hamilton in 2011, and so on and so forth.

Interesting stat: The guy starting in P3 has never finished on the podium this year.
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Pup wrote:
bhallg2k wrote:Anyone else see the irony in denouncing the appearance of an undesirable post that's only visible because it was quoted in the denunciations?
It completely ruined the sense of poetic justice too.

The irony was quite funny actually. So I've left the large fonts in place for posterity.

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Does anyone have a link to a lap-chart for the whole race? I would like to see Räikkönen's lap-times while he was closing the gap to Hamilton and then his lap-times while "stuck" behind Hamilton. I found it a bit curious that Räikkönen was lapping significant faster then Hamilton, but as soon as Räikkönen was within two seconds of Hamilton, it seemed for me like he backed up a bit.

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Pandabeer wrote:Does anyone have a link to a lap-chart for the whole race? I would like to see Räikkönen's lap-times while he was closing the gap to Hamilton and then his lap-times while "stuck" behind Hamilton. I found it a bit curious that Räikkönen was lapping significant faster then Hamilton, but as soon as Räikkönen was within two seconds of Hamilton, it seemed for me like he backed up a bit.
He was lapping about 0.3-0.6 seconds a lap faster than Hamilton. Even at circuits where DRS works well you typically have to have a full second or more advantage over the car in front to pass them without a last ditch dive. Add the fact that the McLaren was quick in the last sector, just before the only overtaking opportunity, and you've got a perfect storm for Raikonnen in terms of getting past.

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beelsebob wrote:
Pandabeer wrote:Does anyone have a link to a lap-chart for the whole race? I would like to see Räikkönen's lap-times while he was closing the gap to Hamilton and then his lap-times while "stuck" behind Hamilton. I found it a bit curious that Räikkönen was lapping significant faster then Hamilton, but as soon as Räikkönen was within two seconds of Hamilton, it seemed for me like he backed up a bit.
He was lapping about 0.3-0.6 seconds a lap faster than Hamilton. Even at circuits where DRS works well you typically have to have a full second or more advantage over the car in front to pass them without a last ditch dive. Add the fact that the McLaren was quick in the last sector, just before the only overtaking opportunity, and you've got a perfect storm for Raikonnen in terms of getting past.
Good point.. and yea the DRS advantage wasn't that great at all on sunday. I also would like to know how big the loss of aerodynamic grip is when following a car within about 0,5 - 1,5 secs. Is it really that much, so that the following car begins to slide more, which results in more tyre degradation?

btw: I'm still looking for a lap-chart.

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It is. And don't forget that the air behind an F1 car is hot from 18,000rpm from a 2.4L V8 engine. Some of that energy inevitably comes in contact with the following car's tyres - and the energy has nowhere to go, other than to start to thermally degrade the tyres.

If a corner is slow enough that aero grip isn't a problem- you can be right with them at the apex, and the other car being PHYSICALLY there is the hindrance - your front wing and his rear wing can't exist in the same space, for instance. As such - going on the power, you'll always be at LEAST a car length late. This problem isn't there in quicker corners, but then you lose downforce, and a bit more so at the front. At a circuit where you require a strong front to flick the car from apex to apex like Hungaroring - it's worth quite a bit.
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Pandabeer wrote:Does anyone have a link to a lap-chart for the whole race? I would like to see Räikkönen's lap-times while he was closing the gap to Hamilton and then his lap-times while "stuck" behind Hamilton. I found it a bit curious that Räikkönen was lapping significant faster then Hamilton, but as soon as Räikkönen was within two seconds of Hamilton, it seemed for me like he backed up a bit.
http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page ... &dr1=Lewis Hamilton&dr2=Kimi Räikkönen

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Pandabeer wrote:Does anyone have a link to a lap-chart for the whole race?
F1Matrix is the best site for that sort of info http://www.f1matrix.it/

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Thanks mcalex and richard_leeds, helped me a lot.

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Redbulls were de-facto the fastest cars in race. Only wrong grid positions and starts hampered their score.
Lotus were almost there, and McLaren only benefited by awesome pole by HAM and clever and fast pits.