2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

[SmallSoldier]

Looks like Honda has confidence in the product they are offering to Redbull .they want to hard bargain Rbr would have a hard time finding another supplier maybe Honda is pushing for more concessions,a Japanese driver, maybe more visibility on the car.also the is question marks pertaining to Max and Newey future.

Can’t help thinking that the extension for only one more year is to allow Red Bull to find a different engine supplier and not leave them hanging... Red Bull / STR helped Honda get out of the situation with Mclaren, they had to make an announcement regarding 2021 and if they would have decided not to continue it would have placed RBR in a very difficult position to negotiate for a power unit with very little time to come up with a deal.

Very strange that they are not committing to more than one year with the new regulations.


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[Just_a_fan]

Can’t help thinking that the extension for only one more year is to allow Red Bull to find a different engine supplier and not leave them hanging...

Where else might they go? Neither Ferrari nor Mercedes will supply them. Neither, I'm sure, would Renault. I doubt anyone else is looking to enter F1, so that leaves either staying with Honda or making their own engine.

[SmallSoldier]

Can’t help thinking that the extension for only one more year is to allow Red Bull to find a different engine supplier and not leave them hanging...

Where else might they go? Neither Ferrari nor Mercedes will supply them. Neither, I'm sure, would Renault. I doubt anyone else is looking to enter F1, so that leaves either staying with Honda or making their own engine.

That’s a good question... Let’s hope that Honda does decide to stay for the long term, it’s the best scenario for the sport.


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[GhostF1]

Can’t help thinking that the extension for only one more year is to allow Red Bull to find a different engine supplier and not leave them hanging...

Where else might they go? Neither Ferrari nor Mercedes will supply them. Neither, I'm sure, would Renault. I doubt anyone else is looking to enter F1, so that leaves either staying with Honda or making their own engine.

That’s a good question... Let’s hope that Honda does decide to stay for the long term, it’s the best scenario for the sport.


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I agree with NZJRS, it's just a negotiating tactic. Honda remaining in F1 is critical for the FIA, they and RBR know that. This gives them leverage for meetings down the line, also allows Honda to get a taste of the new regulations and how the sport is moving forward.

[Capharol]

IF Honda would stop after 2021, i think Red Bull will stop aswell, which F1 can't affort themselves because this would mean losing 2 teams, 4 drivers on the grid.
Marko said once they won't go back to Renault PU as long as Max is driving with them, which will mean then that either Max leaves RB or F1 will force other engine manufacturer to cooperate with RB and TR, but as said i think Red Bull will stop and both teams will be sold or dissappear from the grid

[Wouter]

I agree with @NZJRS and @GhostF1, it's just a negotiating tactic.

[Jambier]

Looks like Honda has confidence in the product they are offering to Redbull .they want to hard bargain Rbr would have a hard time finding another supplier maybe Honda is pushing for more concessions,a Japanese driver, maybe more visibility on the car.also the is question marks pertaining to Max and Newey future.

Can’t help thinking that the extension for only one more year is to allow Red Bull to find a different engine supplier and not leave them hanging... Red Bull / STR helped Honda get out of the situation with Mclaren, they had to make an announcement regarding 2021 and if they would have decided not to continue it would have placed RBR in a very difficult position to negotiate for a power unit with very little time to come up with a deal.

Very strange that they are not committing to more than one year with the new regulations.


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- Since 2015 Honda is basically giving free engine - it costs a lot -
- Honda direction now wants to reduce that enormous amount
- Honda hence is engaged for 2020 and 2021
- It is up to RB to win in 2021 to keep both Honda and Verstappen
- It is up to the FIA to introduce an engine freeze to keep Honda (and Renault)

Then for RBR, if Honda leave, there is still a possibility with Mercedes if they shut down F1 program ( Toto was actually trying to maintain it during Brazilian GP that's why he was away)

[SmallSoldier]

Looks like Honda has confidence in the product they are offering to Redbull .they want to hard bargain Rbr would have a hard time finding another supplier maybe Honda is pushing for more concessions,a Japanese driver, maybe more visibility on the car.also the is question marks pertaining to Max and Newey future.

Can’t help thinking that the extension for only one more year is to allow Red Bull to find a different engine supplier and not leave them hanging... Red Bull / STR helped Honda get out of the situation with Mclaren, they had to make an announcement regarding 2021 and if they would have decided not to continue it would have placed RBR in a very difficult position to negotiate for a power unit with very little time to come up with a deal.

Very strange that they are not committing to more than one year with the new regulations.


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- Since 2015 Honda is basically giving free engine - it costs a lot -
- Honda direction now wants to reduce that enormous amount
- Honda hence is engaged for 2020 and 2021
- It is up to RB to win in 2021 to keep both Honda and Verstappen
- It is up to the FIA to introduce an engine freeze to keep Honda (and Renault)

Then for RBR, if Honda leave, there is still a possibility with Mercedes if they shut down F1 program ( Toto was actually trying to maintain it during Brazilian GP that's why he was away)

Let’s hope that’s the case, in the end, with no new manufacturers in the horizon a Honda exit from the sport would be detrimental and like others have pointed out, probably the end of RBR as a competitor (very unlikely that Ferrari or Mercedes will supply RBR when by the rules, they don’t have to do so)... Leaving RBR with only Renault as a potential supplier.

But, I guess that is a discussion for a later time if Honda doesn’t renew again passed 2021.


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[diffuser]

IF Honda would stop after 2021, i think Red Bull will stop aswell, which F1 can't affort themselves because this would mean losing 2 teams, 4 drivers on the grid.
Marko said once they won't go back to Renault PU as long as Max is driving with them, which will mean then that either Max leaves RB or F1 will force other engine manufacturer to cooperate with RB and TR, but as said i think Red Bull will stop and both teams will be sold or dissappear from the grid

I guess everything is possible. In 2022, because of the CAP, the hope is these teams will be making money. They will no longer need RBR to bankroll them. So like an NFL team the Money from Advertising and from the league will allow them to stand on their own 2 feet. It will be RB's choice whether they want to keep the money they're making from the team or sell it. the Newie's of the world didn't get into F1 cause of RBR or Honda, they came to it cause they love the sport. It's the people not the companies that make the sport what it is.



Amen

[Capharol]

IF Honda would stop after 2021, i think Red Bull will stop aswell, which F1 can't affort themselves because this would mean losing 2 teams, 4 drivers on the grid.
Marko said once they won't go back to Renault PU as long as Max is driving with them, which will mean then that either Max leaves RB or F1 will force other engine manufacturer to cooperate with RB and TR, but as said i think Red Bull will stop and both teams will be sold or dissappear from the grid

I guess everything is possible. In 2022, because of the CAP, the hope is these teams will be making money. They will no longer need RBR to bankroll them. So like an NFL team the Money from Advertising and from the league will allow them to stand on their own 2 feet. It will be RB's choice whether they want to keep the money they're making from the team or sell it. the Newie's of the world didn't get into F1 cause of RBR or Honda, they came to it cause they love the sport. It's the people not the companies that make the sport what it is.



Amen

and the CAP doesn't effect the engine part.....

[diffuser]

IF Honda would stop after 2021, i think Red Bull will stop aswell, which F1 can't affort themselves because this would mean losing 2 teams, 4 drivers on the grid.
Marko said once they won't go back to Renault PU as long as Max is driving with them, which will mean then that either Max leaves RB or F1 will force other engine manufacturer to cooperate with RB and TR, but as said i think Red Bull will stop and both teams will be sold or dissappear from the grid

I guess everything is possible. In 2022, because of the CAP, the hope is these teams will be making money. They will no longer need RBR to bankroll them. So like an NFL team the Money from Advertising and from the league will allow them to stand on their own 2 feet. It will be RB's choice whether they want to keep the money they're making from the team or sell it. the Newie's of the world didn't get into F1 cause of RBR or Honda, they came to it cause they love the sport. It's the people not the companies that make the sport what it is.



Amen

and the CAP doesn't effect the engine part.....

Yeah but that's only a max of 15M from a team point of view. Actually, it's good. Lets say that RBR got their PU from Honda for free and McLaren had to pay 15M for their PU from Merc. They still both have $175M Cap left to spend, instead of RBR still having 175M and McLaren 160M. McLaren may not have the 175M to spend in 2022 but in time they will, F1 decides when that CAP get's raised....

[lio007]

T H I S answer from Max is just awesome:
https://twitter.com/FiftyBucksss/status ... 35200?s=19

[Wouter]

Gasoline fraud excluded

The FIA ​​takes action. In a new technical directive, the teams were informed that next year two sensors will control the fuel flow rate.

Other frequency and encrypted signal

But that's not all. To eliminate fraud in this area one hundred percent, this second sensor is placed behind the first one. Unlike the first, however, it is encrypted and measures on a different frequency known only to the FIA. Only the FIA ​​can read how much gas flows past the measuring point.
It even goes so far that these second sensors are handed out to the teams just before the weekend at random.

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... schlossen/

Edit: So, All the teams therefore receive a second sensor and some have a different frequency and code.

[izzy]

Why not all the teams??

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... schlossen/

well they say on AMuS:

Ever since Ferrari startled the competition with extreme leaps in performance, theories of how such a thing is possible have gone through the roof. The opponents of course had the immediate suspicion that something is not right there.

but the solution applies to all the teams equally. It doesn't really matter too much for this year whether one team was actually doing anything, or what, does it?

[Capharol]

Why not all the teams??

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... schlossen/

well they say on AMuS:

Ever since Ferrari startled the competition with extreme leaps in performance, theories of how such a thing is possible have gone through the roof. The opponents of course had the immediate suspicion that something is not right there.

but the solution applies to all the teams equally. It doesn't really matter too much for this year whether one team was actually doing anything, or what, does it?

exactly .... for this season it has no effect, but it should guarantee no such happenings for 2020