Scuderia Ferrari SF16-H

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From F1 analisitecnica

- In Bahrain Ferrari ran with aggressive "magic boost" for first time and it delivers 20hp. There is more to come since they
didn't run them as aggressively as engine theoretically can.
- It was decided late that mode will be used since they feared about engine reliability after turbo failure on Kimis car
- Seb and Kimi used it for only 2 laps at Bahrain
- In race Kimi used "safe" mapping with 25hp less
- In normal race mode Ferrari is only around 10hp down on Merc
- In qualifying Vettel was only 1.5kph down on Hamilton in S1, while in race Kimi was down 8kph running in conservative mode
- Sector 2 in qualifying and GPS data showed that Ferrari was in fact fastest car in corners at Bahrain
- Ferrari in race slower because turbo is big and new updates to combustion should provide more energy to MGUH that are
depleted since it has to fight turbo lag
- Until Spain/Monaco Ferrari should run conservatively, and hopefully attack after updates fix the issues with turbo and
reliability

http://www.f1analisitecnica.com/2016/04 ... a-ora.html

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I take that this also applies to Sauber and Haas.

Won't Williams, et al, be thrilled if Haas gets a power boost in a few races time?

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I guess the other Ferrari engine teams are not suffering as bad due to them not having as an aggressive aero package?

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wuzak wrote:I take that this also applies to Sauber and Haas.

Won't Williams, et al, be thrilled if Haas gets a power boost in a few races time?
Well,Williams didn't have it even if it's developed in Mercedes long time ago,don't see why Has or Sauber should! Advance software mapping of this type (magic boost) is obviously only developed by manufacturer teams and as such it's not for sale. Which does not mean that customer teams can't developed software internally if (big if) they have the needed resources.

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Cloud981 wrote:
wuzak wrote:I take that this also applies to Sauber and Haas.

Won't Williams, et al, be thrilled if Haas gets a power boost in a few races time?
Well,Williams didn't have it even if it's developed in Mercedes long time ago,don't see why Has or Sauber should! Advance software mapping of this type (magic boost) is obviously only developed by manufacturer teams and as such it's not for sale. Which does not mean that customer teams can't developed software internally if (big if) they have the needed resources.
Mercedes says that's not the case
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2016/04/i ... h-engines/

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wuzak wrote:
Cloud981 wrote:
wuzak wrote:I take that this also applies to Sauber and Haas.

Won't Williams, et al, be thrilled if Haas gets a power boost in a few races time?
Well,Williams didn't have it even if it's developed in Mercedes long time ago,don't see why Has or Sauber should! Advance software mapping of this type (magic boost) is obviously only developed by manufacturer teams and as such it's not for sale. Which does not mean that customer teams can't developed software internally if (big if) they have the needed resources.
Mercedes says that's not the case
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2016/04/i ... h-engines/
Why should Mclaren suffer with Honda so much right now,when it had same these Mercedes engines a couple years ago? Because Ron Dennis knows that they would never win a championship again as a customer team. I've read this ambiguous article in morning and almost died of laughter. F1 is 90% politics and 10% sports,these are the words of one very successful manager of team that starts with M but ends with S.

Technically speaking: Software and hardware code,manuals,that's all fine,but there are other input files to load into the software to optimize its behavior, that's data not code,this is the first point of distinction between Mercedes,Ferrari and the customers with regards to engine behavior.

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Cloud981 wrote: - Sector 2 in qualifying and GPS data showed that Ferrari was in fact fastest car in corners at Bahrain
I guess that's why they were 2/10 slower than mercedes. Overall a lot of things don't add up from this post.

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Juzh wrote:
Cloud981 wrote: - Sector 2 in qualifying and GPS data showed that Ferrari was in fact fastest car in corners at Bahrain
I guess that's why they were 2/10 slower than mercedes. Overall a lot of things don't add up from this post.
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Cloud981 wrote:
Juzh wrote:
Cloud981 wrote: - Sector 2 in qualifying and GPS data showed that Ferrari was in fact fastest car in corners at Bahrain
I guess that's why they were 2/10 slower than mercedes. Overall a lot of things don't add up from this post.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CfYjEu7WAAAnTug.jpg
Sorry, but comparing Ferrari to a wounded WO7 and a W07 that was cruising after about 10 laps in the race? Not sure this is the right comparison. Qualifying sector times tell you the real answer of the difference between the cars in ultimate pace.

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Here is a graph http://imgur.com/ZikUKTI of the longest stints of RAI and ROS with no traffic for both cars in Bahrain(from about lap 15 to 29), Kimi was only a couple of tenths behind Rosberg on average doesn't look too bad.

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It looks like the Ferrari can go longer on tires than Mercedes, also it seems there's some benefit in "seasoning" the tires as it makes them more consistent. Meaning taking extra special care of the tires the first few laps before settling into a pace seems to work.
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It seems that rai had suffered massive clipping in the main straight , it could explain why it was 5 tenth down on pace on sector 1
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What kind of clipping do you mean? The 8th gear is long enough to reach at least over 360 kmph.
Frafer wrote:It seems that rai had suffered massive clipping in the main straight , it could explain why it was 5 tenth down on pace on sector 1
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3weQIB_XX0I/ ... sfondo.jpg

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Yurasyk wrote:What kind of clipping do you mean? The 8th gear is long enough to reach at least over 360 kmph.
Frafer wrote:It seems that rai had suffered massive clipping in the main straight , it could explain why it was 5 tenth down on pace on sector 1
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3weQIB_XX0I/ ... sfondo.jpg
Clipping occurs when a car switches to harvesting mode while a driver is still on full throttle.

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Yurasyk wrote:What kind of clipping do you mean? The 8th gear is long enough to reach at least over 360 kmph.
Frafer wrote:It seems that rai had suffered massive clipping in the main straight , it could explain why it was 5 tenth down on pace on sector 1
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3weQIB_XX0I/ ... sfondo.jpg
Look at the speedo, still on full throttle but going slower at the end of the straight
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