[ 2020 ] Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

[charliesmithhd]

They haven't pushed yet. That remains to be seen.

By push i meant, slow out lap with warm up, drs used, then cooldown lap rather than multiple laps without drs

[charliesmithhd]

They haven't pushed yet. That remains to be seen.

By push i meant, slow out lap with warm up, drs used, then cooldown lap rather than multiple laps without drs

out
1: 18.846
1: 43.602
1: 19.118
1: 45.584
1: 19.454
in

[Darth-Piekus]

Ah ok nevermind then.

[EddyBaggio]

Lets hope they have everyting in order, but a couple of really fast laps tomorrow or @ friday would ease a lot of tension around here

[diffuser]

McLaren should be as fast as last year's Mercedes.

Yes. and if its not, the problem is not RP thats just a bad job from our side.

idk is 1.7 sec a lap over the winter a easily attainable gain? It probably varries from year to year. Since we had new front wing and barge board regs last year ...gains this year would be on the high side... Never the less, 1.7 sounds like alot....

[rubenvelden23]

Lets hope they have everyting in order, but a couple of really fast laps tomorrow or @ friday would ease a lot of tension around here

I hope they will, but in the end its sounds like they are just running their check list, im hoping they will do you some quick laps at the end of testing.

[Ground Effect]

"Of the rest, I saw a decent amount of the McLaren, Racing Point and Haas. I would put McLaren marginally ahead of Racing Point based on what I saw. Lance Stroll was chasing Lando Norris around for several laps and Norris gradually edged away. He was able to carry a bit more speed into Turn 7 without the car biting him, whereas Stroll had a massive rear slide while trying to re-apply power mid-corner on one lap so had to rein it in thereafter.

"The McLaren looks Red Bull-esque in terms of balance but without the same level of overall grip. The Racing Point clearly inspires confidence on entry, but can't quite hold on to the same degree as the McLaren mid-corner."

Ben Anderson (Autosport)
Maybe making up for last years bad review?

[McL-H]

"Of the rest, I saw a decent amount of the McLaren, Racing Point and Haas. I would put McLaren marginally ahead of Racing Point based on what I saw. Lance Stroll was chasing Lando Norris around for several laps and Norris gradually edged away. He was able to carry a bit more speed into Turn 7 without the car biting him, whereas Stroll had a massive rear slide while trying to re-apply power mid-corner on one lap so had to rein it in thereafter.

"The McLaren looks Red Bull-esque in terms of balance but without the same level of overall grip. The Racing Point clearly inspires confidence on entry, but can't quite hold on to the same degree as the McLaren mid-corner."

Ben Anderson (Autosport)
Maybe making up for last years bad review?

Let’s not forget one variable here is Lance Stroll. He would probably even have problems driving last years Mercedes. Oh wait..

[diffuser]

"Of the rest, I saw a decent amount of the McLaren, Racing Point and Haas. I would put McLaren marginally ahead of Racing Point based on what I saw. Lance Stroll was chasing Lando Norris around for several laps and Norris gradually edged away. He was able to carry a bit more speed into Turn 7 without the car biting him, whereas Stroll had a massive rear slide while trying to re-apply power mid-corner on one lap so had to rein it in thereafter.

"The McLaren looks Red Bull-esque in terms of balance but without the same level of overall grip. The Racing Point clearly inspires confidence on entry, but can't quite hold on to the same degree as the McLaren mid-corner."

Ben Anderson (Autosport)
Maybe making up for last years bad review?

I noticed that on the 2019 RBR copy (AT 2020), they didn't copy the holes in the nose. They could have copied the holes but then they would have had to pass the crash test. That has me thinking maybe some of the visual stuff is easily copied. On the original, they also work with the unseen and not so easily copied.

[dtro]

Andreas Seidl sounds very confident and competent. The fresh blood of Sainz and Norris was great for the team along with the addition of James Key and Andreas Seidl and others. They're on a good track.

[rubenvelden23]

Andreas Seidl sounds very confident and competent. The fresh blood of Sainz and Norris was great for the team along with the addition of James Key and Andreas Seidl and others. They're on a good track.

Im a Big fan of alonso, but it seems like the young blood from Sainz and Norris really gives the team a boost. Replacing eric boullier was the best thing Mclaren could do (never was a fan of him)

[_cerber1]

[dtro]

Andreas Seidl sounds very confident and competent. The fresh blood of Sainz and Norris was great for the team along with the addition of James Key and Andreas Seidl and others. They're on a good track.

Im a Big fan of alonso, but it seems like the young blood from Sainz and Norris really gives the team a boost. Replacing eric boullier was the best thing Mclaren could do (never was a fan of him)

Me neither, Boullier did McLaren no favors- honestly I tried to erase him from my memory because of those dark years

[Motörhead]

McLaren should be as fast as last year's Mercedes.

Yes. and if its not, the problem is not RP thats just a bad job from our side.

idk is 1.7 sec a lap over the winter a easily attainable gain? It probably varries from year to year. Since we had new front wing and barge board regs last year ...gains this year would be on the high side... Never the less, 1.7 sounds like alot....

So, here’s the deal.
Please excuse me if I’m teaching you to suck eggs. But some of you might not comprehend how hard, actually, impossible it is to find a second and a half over the off season.....

Wind tunnel testing works in thousandths of a second. If you test a new part which is just an iteration of a previous concept, if it’s up by a thousandth, depending if its Front downforce, (CLF), Rear downforce (CLR) or overall downforce, you keep it on the model. This depends on the drag delta of course. Too draggy. It doesn’t go on.
If you’re testing a new concept, you’ll be lucky to get 1-3 tenths. And i do mean lucky. It would have to be outstanding.

There are no eureka moments in wind tunnel testing anymore. What works on your car, will very probably not work on anyone else’s car, as the concept is completely different, unless its a gurney for example.

The ferocious testing by every team on the grid, if there are no major rule changes, will probably get you anywhere from half a second to a second improvement in the off season for the new car. Depending how slow you were last year. A team like williams for example, can improve the most. We saw it with Mclaren last year. Most improved team.
Now, there is a slight problem..... The Eureka moment of 2020.
Lawrence Stroll has purchased the maximum amount of transferable components allowed from Mercedes to use on this years Racing Point. Money is no object! If it gives Lance a chance to mix it with the big boys, then great. Although he will be behind his team mate of course!
Also, this same team (RP) tests in the same wind tunnel as Mercedes. And probably use the Mercedes wind tunnel technicians, tools and maps to run the tunnel. Huge advantage.
They are going to be fast. No doubt about it. Probably 3rd or 4th At the start of the year. This is possible, without a doubt.
But......
And this is with all due respect to RP and all their talented staff.
Do they have the nouse to develop it enough to stay there? Do they have the right people in their team? We know their hiring and fast, but that doesn’t necessarily bring quality. They may not have to, depending on what engine upgrades Mercedes bring throughout the year. We know that Renault are not upgrading performance wise, just reliability wise, which will give performance, but not a huge step. Not as much potentially as Mercedes has already put onto their engine over the off season.
This scenario looks to have happened across the midfield of the grid this year, with varing success.
The only teams that haven’t are Mclaren, Renault and Williams.
This will be a tough year.
I still believe Mclaren can mix it for 4th by the end of the season. And perhaps get 4th. But to the detriment of 2021.

[Chicane]

Andrea Stella:- ''Today's target wasn't mileage, but some upgrades and set-up options. We plan to look a little bit more into performance and into long runs over the next couple of days.”

https://www.mclaren.com/racing/2020/pre ... t-2-day-1/