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[Ryar]

How sneaky of Redbull to give £40m deal for Max without informing Helmut Marko, otherwise he would have blocked it since he thought a similar deal for Lewis was too expensive for formula one!

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https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-auto ... -Marko-SNT

It will be embarrassing if Perez rides close to Max this year. Apart from number 2 contracts, you can guarantee certain knobs will be turned to ensure this does not happen.

That reminds of Russia and Germany 2018!
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[Big Tea]

I am not sure it is the best move for him if he wants more titles. Then again a nice pile of cash provides a good soft landing.
Although it is likely that Red Bull will continue to be up there it is not guaranteed. If Ferrari and Mclaren become the number two and three teams, or even the number one teams, It would more or less rule out a move to them, which TBH does not look to be on the cards anyway.

So objective one- win titles- out of his control at the moment. Objective 2 get loads of money, achieved.

[PlatinumZealot]

How sneaky of Redbull to give £40m deal for Max without informing Helmut Marko, otherwise he would have blocked it since he thought a similar deal for Lewis was too expensive for formula one!

https://serving.photos.photobox.com/449 ... 51dedc.jpg

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-auto ... -Marko-SNT

It will be embarrassing if Perez rides close to Max this year. Apart from number 2 contracts, you can guarantee certain knobs will be turned to ensure this does not happen.

Nothing in either of their careers suggests that it is likely. Is there good evidence that RB have slowed down a second driver purposefully to make their No.1 look better in the past?

Do you pose this... what seems to be a fantasy of yours in order to suggest RB will do something shady?

This isn't contributing anything! Meaningless fantastical speculation that could be left unsaid

I did not imply anything nasty so please don't put any words in my mouth.

But ask yourself this, if Perez somehow starts outperforming Max, what does Christian and Helmut do?

We already know the no.2 contract is in place and Christian has openly said the aim to secure Max a second championship this year.

If Perez threatens to turn into the lead driver on Performance what would Christian and Helmut do?

I leave it at that.

[Wouter]

But ask yourself this, if Perez somehow starts outperforming Max, what does Christian and Helmut do?

That will never happen and you know that.

[Dee]

It will be embarrassing if Perez rides close to Max this year. Apart from number 2 contracts, you can guarantee certain knobs will be turned to ensure this does not happen.

Nothing in either of their careers suggests that it is likely. Is there good evidence that RB have slowed down a second driver purposefully to make their No.1 look better in the past?

Do you pose this... what seems to be a fantasy of yours in order to suggest RB will do something shady?

This isn't contributing anything! Meaningless fantastical speculation that could be left unsaid

I did not imply anything nasty so please don't put any words in my mouth.

But ask yourself this, if Perez somehow starts outperforming Max, what does Christian and Helmut do?

We already know the no.2 contract is in place and Christian has openly said the aim to secure Max a second championship this year.

If Perez threatens to turn into the lead driver on Performance what would Christian and Helmut do?

I leave it at that.

Red Bull are all about winning. If Perez is winning instead of Max, how bad...

Mercedes are the ones that have screwed over their number 2 when they outqualified Hamilton multiple times in the last 5 years

RB never pulled team orders in Baku 2018

Perez himself said "lets get them" as he let Max by due being put on a different strategy in France

In Sochi when Perez was ahead of Max, RB never pulled team orders, asking him to let Max past

[TNTHead]

Interesting timing: for us outsiders it is a big question mark what the relative pace is under the new rule set. Max seems very confident that the best place to be for 5 (!) years is at RB. That seems a big gamble. I expected him leaving the option open for a switch to Merc or McLaren come 2023. Or is this also in the light of a possible retreat of Mercedes from F1.

[dans79]

I expected him leaving the option open for a switch to Merc or McLaren come 2023. Or is this also in the light of a possible retreat of Mercedes from F1.

He might have, the contract could have clauses about providing a competitive car!

[lh13]

It will be embarrassing if Perez rides close to Max this year. Apart from number 2 contracts, you can guarantee certain knobs will be turned to ensure this does not happen.

Nothing in either of their careers suggests that it is likely. Is there good evidence that RB have slowed down a second driver purposefully to make their No.1 look better in the past?

Do you pose this... what seems to be a fantasy of yours in order to suggest RB will do something shady?

This isn't contributing anything! Meaningless fantastical speculation that could be left unsaid

I did not imply anything nasty so please don't put any words in my mouth.

But ask yourself this, if Perez somehow starts outperforming Max, what does Christian and Helmut do?

We already know the no.2 contract is in place and Christian has openly said the aim to secure Max a second championship this year.

If Perez threatens to turn into the lead driver on Performance what would Christian and Helmut do?

I leave it at that.

Since you're obviously a Merc / Ham fan, You should first ask yourself what kind of verbal gymnastics you will pull if Russell starts outperforming Hamilton, which IMO has a greater chance of happening than Perez outperforming Verstappen.

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[MattWellsyWells]

Well if Red Bull have nailed the new regs Max could be a seven time champion by the time this contract finishes!

[Just_a_fan]

Nothing in either of their careers suggests that it is likely. Is there good evidence that RB have slowed down a second driver purposefully to make their No.1 look better in the past?

Do you pose this... what seems to be a fantasy of yours in order to suggest RB will do something shady?

This isn't contributing anything! Meaningless fantastical speculation that could be left unsaid

I did not imply anything nasty so please don't put any words in my mouth.

But ask yourself this, if Perez somehow starts outperforming Max, what does Christian and Helmut do?

We already know the no.2 contract is in place and Christian has openly said the aim to secure Max a second championship this year.

If Perez threatens to turn into the lead driver on Performance what would Christian and Helmut do?

I leave it at that.

Red Bull are all about winning. If Perez is winning instead of Max, how bad...

Er, Red Bull are all about winning the driver's title, as confirmed by Horner last year for example, and they have publicly thrown in behind Max. Which is their choice, of course, and that's cool if everyone there buys in to it.

Mercedes are the ones that have screwed over their number 2 when they outqualified Hamilton multiple times in the last 5 years

RB never pulled team orders in Baku 2018

Perez himself said "lets get them" as he let Max by due being put on a different strategy in France

In Sochi when Perez was ahead of Max, RB never pulled team orders, asking him to let Max past

Why do you bring up Mercedes in this? It's about Red Bull and Max, not Mercedes or anyone else.

[Dee]

I did not imply anything nasty so please don't put any words in my mouth.

But ask yourself this, if Perez somehow starts outperforming Max, what does Christian and Helmut do?

We already know the no.2 contract is in place and Christian has openly said the aim to secure Max a second championship this year.

If Perez threatens to turn into the lead driver on Performance what would Christian and Helmut do?

I leave it at that.

Red Bull are all about winning. If Perez is winning instead of Max, how bad...

Er, Red Bull are all about winning the driver's title, as confirmed by Horner last year for example, and they have publicly thrown in behind Max. Which is their choice, of course, and that's cool if everyone there buys in to it.

Mercedes are the ones that have screwed over their number 2 when they outqualified Hamilton multiple times in the last 5 years

RB never pulled team orders in Baku 2018

Perez himself said "lets get them" as he let Max by due being put on a different strategy in France

In Sochi when Perez was ahead of Max, RB never pulled team orders, asking him to let Max past

Why do you bring up Mercedes in this? It's about Red Bull and Max, not Mercedes or anyone else.

I bring up Mercedes because somehow, a few posters seem to think that RB are the devil incarnate and Mercedes are as pure as the driven snow. They seem to think that RB will suddenly start enacting team orders without having a history of it previously.

They should be asking how Merc will react if Russell starts beating Hamilton

Max has shown he has the beating of Perez https://f1teammatestats.herokuapp.com/f1analysis.php

Perez was teammates with Button who was teammates with Hamilton. A bit of analysis will show you how fast Max is currently.

[PlatinumZealot]

Since you're obviously a Merc / Ham fan, You should first ask yourself what kind of verbal gymnastics you will pull if Russell starts outperforming Hamilton, which IMO has a greater chance of happening than Perez outperforming Verstappen.

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At Mercedes there is not a number 2 and contracts are short term. Hamilton is a old ass driver at 37 and on his way out, so if George kicks his butt on an increasingly frequent basis this is actually good for the Mercedes side.

Now at RedBull, remember the high salary is a risk premium demanded by the Verstappens. (if the car is bad, and if other teams come calling).
On the RedBull admin, side they are hoping that Max remains competitive relative to other drivers inside RedBull and in other teams. This is not guaranteed over six years, so RedBull is taking the bigger end of the risk.

If Perez (or insert new RedBull junior phenom here) starts taking points off Max more regularly, it will mean RedBull will have lost in the deal. In other words if this happens it means they could have had the same performance for cheaper.

[Just_a_fan]

Red Bull are all about winning. If Perez is winning instead of Max, how bad...

Er, Red Bull are all about winning the driver's title, as confirmed by Horner last year for example, and they have publicly thrown in behind Max. Which is their choice, of course, and that's cool if everyone there buys in to it.

Mercedes are the ones that have screwed over their number 2 when they outqualified Hamilton multiple times in the last 5 years

RB never pulled team orders in Baku 2018

Perez himself said "lets get them" as he let Max by due being put on a different strategy in France

In Sochi when Perez was ahead of Max, RB never pulled team orders, asking him to let Max past

Why do you bring up Mercedes in this? It's about Red Bull and Max, not Mercedes or anyone else.

I bring up Mercedes because somehow, a few posters seem to think that RB are the devil incarnate and Mercedes are as pure as the driven snow. They seem to think that RB will suddenly start enacting team orders without having a history of it previously.

They should be asking how Merc will react if Russell starts beating Hamilton

Max has shown he has the beating of Perez https://f1teammatestats.herokuapp.com/f1analysis.php

Perez was teammates with Button who was teammates with Hamilton. A bit of analysis will show you how fast Max is currently.

Ask Perez about team orders when he is pitted to take fastest lap even though it meant he lost any points from that race.

If Russell beats Hamilton then he beats Hamilton. Hamilton will try to use his experience to beat Russell by, for example, dropping a pit stop (as he has done in the past). Will Mercedes throw George under the bus if he's leading and in with a shout of the title? No, they won't.

Not sure what the thing is why comparing past team mates. Hamilton was team mates with Rosberg who was team mates with Schumacher. A bit of analysis will show you how fast Lewis is. Or doesn't it work that way? Oh, and we won't even mention the comparison with a certain Spanish driver who is held in high regard by many.

[dans79]

I bring up Mercedes because somehow, a few posters seem to think that RB are the devil incarnate and Mercedes are as pure as the driven snow. They seem to think that RB will suddenly start enacting team orders without having a history of it previously.

I take it you missed Abu Dhabi then?

[Dee]

Since you're obviously a Merc / Ham fan, You should first ask yourself what kind of verbal gymnastics you will pull if Russell starts outperforming Hamilton, which IMO has a greater chance of happening than Perez outperforming Verstappen.

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At Mercedes there is not a number 2 and contracts are short term. Hamilton is a old ass driver at 37 and on his way out, so if George kicks his butt on an increasingly frequent basis this is actually good for the Mercedes side.

Now at RedBull, remember the high salary is a risk premium demanded by the Verstappens. (if the car is bad, and if other teams come calling).
On the RedBull admin, side they are hoping that Max remains competitive relative to other drivers inside RedBull and in other teams. This is not guaranteed over six years, so RedBull is taking the bigger end of the risk.

If Perez (or insert new RedBull junior phenom here) starts taking points off Max more regularly, it will mean RedBull will have lost in the deal. In other words if this happens it means they could have had the same performance for cheaper.

In 2020 and 2021, using just Max's points alone, he won RB 2nd in the WCC two times running

You speak like Max is going to get worse...

He is getting better and better every year and he is only 24

People seem to think his 23 championships in karting, his record no of wins in F3 as a rookie, his performance against Sainz at 17 and his domination of his last 3 teammates as nothing more than a normal occurance...