Malaysian GP 2011 - Sepang

[raymondu999]

Ferrari could bring the matter up, but that would only bring the matter to the stewards' attention. It in isolation doesn't mean that they would give Hamilton a penalty.

[andrew]

It in isolation doesn't mean that they would give Hamilton a penalty.

How do you mean? 3 changes of direction is too many and it is blatant.

Seeing as Hamilton knew about the possibility of the penalty faily quickly I think the race stewards needed no guidance from anyone else on this.

[i70q7m7ghw]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCfzajoIVe8

At 0:12 watch the two torro rosso cars, I can find loads of examples of weaving, all over the race.

[andrew]

The Torro Rosso in made its one legal move and the other was trying to avoid it.

[i70q7m7ghw]

Enjoy your ignorance

[andrew]

Oh dear......

[djos]

Enjoy your ignorance

I've heard it's bliss!

[lolzi]

Enjoy your ignorance

I'm sorry, but how is he being ignorant? One can't see much because they are out of the picture, but it also seems to me like he only moved once.

[i70q7m7ghw]

It was an example, there isn't much footage available of the overtakes, the Malaysian director was more interested in watching Lotus cars drive around the track.

There were several cars during the track making multiple moves on the straight. Vettel at the start is a very clear example, I'm still waiting for someone to quote the rule that says it's allowed at the start?

Now if Hamilton had reported Vettel after the race, well who knows, we've seen victories taken away before

[raymondu999]

It in isolation doesn't mean that they would give Hamilton a penalty.

How do you mean? 3 changes of direction is too many and it is blatant.

Seeing as Hamilton knew about the possibility of the penalty faily quickly I think the race stewards needed no guidance from anyone else on this.

You should read the whole post methinks. I said, "Ferrari came to the stewards, but that in isolation would have only meant the stewards would've looked at it." I'm saying that Ferrari may have asked the FIA to start the investigation, but stewards were the one who gave the penalty.

[andrew]

Yep, should learn to read on of these days.

[Just_a_fan]

Alonso is astute and he is ruthless*. He will have realised how important it was to get Hamilton's actions looked at by the stewards in order to reduce a competitor's potential points haul for the race. The seasons are so close these days that even a few points can be the difference between being champion and not.

He's tried similar before - anyone remember Valencia and his outburst on the radio to his engineer "we must get Hamilton penalised" (or words to that effect)?

*Someone who has worked with Alonso described him to me as being an unpleasant person in this regard (he also said he was obviously talented/quick etc. too, of course). He used other adjectives too but this is a family forum...

[raymondu999]

Anyone know if there's a place where I can see the pole lap for this race?

[SiLo]

Tbh, Hamilton's "weaving" wasn't exessive, not compared to what he did last year. But still, rules are rules, even if it is dubious at which point he starts defending his position.

IMO Alonso shouldn't have gotten a penalty, I'm pretty sure that he didn't want to drive into the back of Hamilton, no matter how much he hates him.

[i70q7m7ghw]

Alonso is astute and he is ruthless*. He will have realised how important it was to get Hamilton's actions looked at by the stewards in order to reduce a competitor's potential points haul for the race. The seasons are so close these days that even a few points can be the difference between being champion and not.

He's tried similar before - anyone remember Valencia and his outburst on the radio to his engineer "we must get Hamilton penalised" (or words to that effect)?

*Someone who has worked with Alonso described him to me as being an unpleasant person in this regard (he also said he was obviously talented/quick etc. too, of course). He used other adjectives too but this is a family forum...

+1, this what I've been getting at.