2012 European GP - Valencia

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I think Malfunctionado felt he had a god-given right to take the place in that corner because he was faster. I get like that on the playstation sometimes, but you know... that's just a computer game and I'm not a professional racing driver.

I'd like to see the next 15 points he scores given to Hamilton, or just scrapped. I think that should be the standard penalty for crashing someone out of the points, that would teach these guys some respect I'm sure.

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Huntresa wrote:I hope they punish alonso for stopping on track!
you are kidding right?

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Huntresa wrote:I hope they punish alonso for stopping on track!
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Alonso onboard in Valencia

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhlvfGngfAk[/youtube]

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Bravo Fernando, Bravo Ferrari.

And Vettel stopped after the flag just outside pit lane after Bahrain...so really? you really think Alonso deserves a penalty?

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I do think, and I am sort of sympathetic to Maldonado as I like Venezuela for some reason (not politics though, that's for sure, but let's keep that out), he should follow a course on how to race. I appreciate his eagerness, and he pulled off some nice moves in this race as well, but they all were very risky as well. Risky moves are fine if you know what you're doing, but Maldonado doesn't give that impression with his collisions. It looks like he throws his car in regardless, and it's up to the other driver to control it. Sure, it might gain positions, but it ends in tears as well.

The Hamilton incident was his fault too. Hamilton was playing tough guy and Maldonado should've seen this, but he doesn't seem to have the awareness to see when he can take a risk and when he can't. Hamilton stayed on the line, Maldonado clearly went ballistic right into him.

That said, what a brilliant race this was. Great overtaking, also without DRS. First time this year, apart from a few KK moments, that I was really on the edge of my seat during battles as it was always close and the amount of moves without DRS were very satisfying.

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Bravo Scumacher. Thank you for proving me wrong. Nice work.

Alonso is the man. I though he hadn't chance. Incredible. His mental strenth is what will win him many more championships. The guys that can win in the lesser cars are the difference between good/great.

Ham blew it. Never would have lasted 1.5 laps. That's where the mental game must be in place.

Anyway, well done Alonso. You deserve the WDC.
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I'm very happy with this fantastic (if lucky) victory for my main man. Lucky sure, but as the saying goes: "Luck favors the prepared."

But seriously, what's wrong with MacLaren? By rights Hamilton should have won 3 and lead the WDC. He has been every bit as good as Alonso. But I don't think he was entirely without blame in the Maldonado collision. He should have played for keeps and let him pass.

Nice to see Raikkonen up there, too. Love how he owns up to his mistakes. =D>

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Speedster wrote:
The Hamilton incident was his fault too. Hamilton was playing tough guy and Maldonado should've seen this, but he doesn't seem to have the awareness to see when he can take a risk and when he can't. Hamilton stayed on the line, Maldonado clearly went ballistic right into him.
Agreed 110%. Hamilton's tyres were going off dramatically at this point, he should've noticed how defensive Hamilton was driving as well as known his tyres were seriously going off and passed him under DRS. IMHO.

Either way I think he's shown a propensity to just throw his car in there with the other guy without fully thinking about the consequences. Hopefully for his sake and others he'll changes this tendency. And hopefully sooner rather than later.

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In Regards to Hamilton-Maldonado Crash, I have to agree that the penalty was a bit light on, considering Vergne's penalty, (all though why Vergne turned in to Kovalainen when he was on the racing line is another question all together). But with Hamilton it was a seriously long time coming that someone would run him out of a race, how many times has he thrown his car into a corner that we all knew he wouldn't make shunt the other driver out of the way, and just get a slap on the wrist saying don't do that again. Didn't Hamilton only get a 20sec drop at Monaco 2011 for ruining Massa & Maldonado's race.

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Speedster wrote:I do think, and I am sort of sympathetic to Maldonado as I like Venezuela for some reason (not politics though, that's for sure, but let's keep that out), ..
Venezuelan women. Nuff said.

Anyways....

It seems to me that Hamilton was in a similar state as Alonso during the Canadian GP, where the tyres were going off the cliff and there were people closing in on him. The difference is that Alonso acknowledged that and still made off with 10 points since he knew something was better than nothing. Hamilton has left Valencia empty handed, even literally, since he threw the steering wheel out onto the track.
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Speedster wrote:
The Hamilton incident was his fault too. Hamilton was playing tough guy
I think if Fortunado http://www.literature.org/authors/poe-e ... llado.html had Igornado awareness he would be sitting in second place in the WDC right now
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mx_tifoso wrote:
RB_[Gnx] wrote:Did Anyone Noticed That Kimi ..Was Smiling :mrgreen: ?
It was a very special podium. And along with that, Andrea Stella has been a race engineer for all three. Great race on so many levels.
When was Stella Schumacher's race engineer? To memory, Schumacher always had Chris Dyer, then in 2008 Dyer became the chief engineer while Stella came up
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Speedster wrote:
The Hamilton incident was his fault too. Hamilton was playing tough guy and Maldonado should've seen this, but he doesn't seem to have the awareness to see when he can take a risk and when he can't. Hamilton stayed on the line, Maldonado clearly went ballistic right into him.
Hamilton is a true racer so he never gives positions away without a fight.
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mx_tifoso wrote:
Speedster wrote:I do think, and I am sort of sympathetic to Maldonado as I like Venezuela for some reason (not politics though, that's for sure, but let's keep that out), ..
Venezuelan women. Nuff said.

Anyways....

It seems to me that Hamilton was in a similar state as Alonso during the Canadian GP, where the tyres were going off the cliff and there were people closing in on him. The difference is that Alonso acknowledged that and still made off with 10 points since he knew something was better than nothing. Hamilton has left Valencia empty handed, even literally, since he threw the steering wheel out onto the track.
Hamilton races till the wheels fall off. He fights to the death for his points, no surrender here.
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