McLaren have finally announced their new driver line-up for 2015 as it embarks on a new era with Honda power. While Fernando Alonso joins from Ferrari, Jenson Button is retained as a racing racing. Kevin Magnussen will stay at the team as test and reserve driver.
I read all kind of things in those rules related to CPU, GPU, load, double floating point arithmic, terraflops, ...acosmichippo wrote:weird, i wonder how they quantify "CFD time".
Everything is possible to police as team members switch between the teams every year. So if they do CFD at home this is rather some private fun and can not be mandatory. And just look at the numbers: If they are running CFD on their home computers this is nothing compared to the numbers stated in the rules. The rule has just one aim: To prevent a new war in super computers. The numbers in the rules can be reached by the clusters the teams have already.Xero wrote:CFD time restriction must be next to impossible to police! There's nothing to stop individuals taking their work "home" and trying out ideas on their own computers.
1.: Prodromou is very good and wanted in my view no longer be hidden behind Newey. But as stated in the MP4 thread, I do not think at all, that McLaren has problems with aero, but with the suspension in order to get the aero working. Of course Prodromou will help on the new aero round the new suspension, which is more Redbull like, but they have to solve the suspension problem first.mclaren_mircea wrote:I'm following the reconstruction process of the team. And I have 2 questions to change impressions with other Mclaren fans.
I'm very interested in these two detail aspects, especially the question about Promodrou vs Wood/Ellis. Plese moderator don't delete my post, even if it's involving Mercedes team a little.
1. What do you think? The poaching of Promodrou is less or more important than what Mercedes poach of Ellis and Wood from the same Red Bull(one is for vehicle dynamics, one for simulation).
2. What do you think, who can be Fallow's replecement? (any distant rumour), or at lest, from what team?
basti313 wrote:Everything is possible to police as team members switch between the teams every year. So if they do CFD at home this is rather some private fun and can not be mandatory. And just look at the numbers: If they are running CFD on their home computers this is nothing compared to the numbers stated in the rules. The rule has just one aim: To prevent a new war in super computers. The numbers in the rules can be reached by the clusters the teams have already.Xero wrote:CFD time restriction must be next to impossible to police! There's nothing to stop individuals taking their work "home" and trying out ideas on their own computers.
1.: Prodromou is very good and wanted in my view no longer be hidden behind Newey. But as stated in the MP4 thread, I do not think at all, that McLaren has problems with aero, but with the suspension in order to get the aero working. Of course Prodromou will help on the new aero round the new suspension, which is more Redbull like, but they have to solve the suspension problem first.mclaren_mircea wrote:I'm following the reconstruction process of the team. And I have 2 questions to change impressions with other Mclaren fans.
I'm very interested in these two detail aspects, especially the question about Promodrou vs Wood/Ellis. Plese moderator don't delete my post, even if it's involving Mercedes team a little.
1. What do you think? The poaching of Promodrou is less or more important than what Mercedes poach of Ellis and Wood from the same Red Bull(one is for vehicle dynamics, one for simulation).
2. What do you think, who can be Fallow's replecement? (any distant rumour), or at lest, from what team?
And as Newey and Fallows are still with Redbull I think the aero department still has no problem, thus I think Ellis and Wood are the bigger loss or the bigger gain for Merc as they can bring the interconnected Redbull suspension to Merc, which should have the best roll stability.
2.: I do not think that there has to be a Fallow replacement. He never was there and Prodromou will come. And I still do not get why McLaren signed both of them as they wanted to leave Redbull because they did not want to work together anymore...
The problem will be that the information that the new team members have will be at least a season out of date. I doubt if there's a bad engineer in F1 but the devil is in the details and it's the details that made the RB so unbeatable will have changed on the new.mclaren_mircea wrote:
Yeah, but Promodrou has to know all the details and the aerodynamic philosophy that made Red Bull unbeatable. I think he knows much more of the overall design of the Red Bull cars than Wood and Ellis. Horner and Marko didn't tried so desperately to retain Wood and Ellis as they did with Promodrou this winter. I think that Mclaren might take some information from Mercedes overral design and suspension by taking Bob Bell.
If you look on linkedin, Mercedes is loosing more people than any top team in the last months. Daimler's investment was in this engine and for a championship, but they never spendt huge amounts on money. For the new car and and the new engine they took budget from their DTM programme, but they won't spend lots of money in the long term. Niki Lauda said that Mercedes will start to fire people not only from Brixworth but also from Brackley, and in Brackley they have only 612 people. In the same time Mclaren and Ferrari are recruiting more strongly than Mercedes between 2011-2013, and Honda's philosophy is more towards spending than Daimler. They lost Brawn, than Bell, but a lot more junior staff. I repeat, Daimler can't sustain a war spending on the longer term, while Mclaren-Honda and Ferrari can. Remember, they will start firing people and they have only 612 people in Brackley. Ferrari, Red Bull and Mclaren have already more people than Mercedes, before Mercedes start to shed staff.Shakeman wrote:The problem will be that the information that the new team members have will be at least a season out of date. I doubt if there's a bad engineer in F1 but the devil is in the details and it's the details that made the RB so unbeatable will have changed on the new.mclaren_mircea wrote:
Yeah, but Promodrou has to know all the details and the aerodynamic philosophy that made Red Bull unbeatable. I think he knows much more of the overall design of the Red Bull cars than Wood and Ellis. Horner and Marko didn't tried so desperately to retain Wood and Ellis as they did with Promodrou this winter. I think that Mclaren might take some information from Mercedes overral design and suspension by taking Bob Bell.
Can the Aero team in McLaren exert the same level of control over the rest of the car as the RB team appear to do? There's a lot of stars that have to come into alignment, RB have don't it, Merc have just done it whereas Ferrari and McLaren haven't for some time.
http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/brian-mcilwa ... =pub-pbmapCptPeanut wrote:I'm not sure how reliable Linked-In is for staffing numbers, McLaren are recruiting quite heavily but these are mainly for Automotive.
It also stands to reason that if next years cars are to be only variants of this seasons then some of the design staff at Merc could be let go as there will be a reduction in workload.
I'm not sure what you mean by "home", but they certainly wont be running CFD on a home computer. The complex CFD work done by the teams requires a vast amount of computing power, so I imagine there are few places where you can realistically buy enough continuous super computing time. A 500 teraflop super computer can probably be had for less than 10 million now, I don't see why they need to aggressively limit CFD time.Xero wrote:CFD time restriction must be next to impossible to police! There's nothing to stop individuals taking their work "home" and trying out ideas on their own computers.
