Daniel Ricciardo has won his second race of the season in what turned out to be an absolutely thrilling Hungarian Grand Prix. Ferrari's Fernando Alonso finished an unexpected second, closely followed by Hamilton and Rosberg.
Do you even understand what is being said? Most people are suggesting using 2 softs instead of 1 medium (not just 1 soft, but even that would have been a better strategy, cause it left the option to go fast and pit if half way you discovered it wasn't going to last).iotar__ wrote:http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2014/07/30/2 ... nscript-2/
48 LH I can’t imagine these tyres lasting another 20 laps.
48 PB So the softs did an equivalent of 24 laps albeit from damp conditions so wear shouldn’t be an issue.
54 PB OK, Lewis. So 18 laps remaining. We need to get these tyres to the end.
54 LH Trying to manage these as best I can.
This is dragging too long (mostly repeating) so last thing: on a 10th lap of 31 lap stint on mediums Hamilton is saying those tyres won't last but when he says couple of laps before pitting that there's some pace in the softs, he pushes couple of laps and pits it's a proof that: 1 he could have done even longer stint without losing pace 2. final stint of 30ish laps on softs without problems. Does not make sense.
I don't know, why did you?Regle wrote:Why did I even try…Regle wrote: Hard to say. I liked the early, fresh Vettel. Now he's lost that a bit, probably due to professionalism and bad experiences with press exaggerating his statements or twisting his words in his mouth (as of course they do with all drivers), but in private he's probably still a nice guy so I still like him, but I don't adore him. I didn't want him to win that 4th championship. Oh, and yes, I'm German.
I agreed with you. I was just pointing out the flat torque vs flat power mistake, but yeah the mgu-k could definitely get hotter at lower rpm, and then the extra current draw for mgu-h would also increase heat.beelsebob wrote:Since you guys (rightly) discounted my theory about low revs being bad for the battery, here's an alternative - at low revs the turbo hasn't spooled up yet, they're using both the MGU-K to get acceleration and MGU-H to spool the turbo at low revs, and hence drawing a lot from the battery.
Does that one make more sense?
1. What "most people"? Speak for yourself, many ideas were discussed, like long stint on softskomninosm wrote:Do you even understand what is being said? Most people are suggesting using 2 softs instead of 1 medium (not just 1 soft, but even that would have been a better strategy, cause it left the option to go fast and pit if half way you discovered it wasn't going to last).iotar__ wrote:http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2014/07/30/2 ... nscript-2/
48 LH I can’t imagine these tyres lasting another 20 laps.
48 PB So the softs did an equivalent of 24 laps albeit from damp conditions so wear shouldn’t be an issue.
54 PB OK, Lewis. So 18 laps remaining. We need to get these tyres to the end.
54 LH Trying to manage these as best I can.
This is dragging too long (mostly repeating) so last thing: on a 10th lap of 31 lap stint on mediums Hamilton is saying those tyres won't last but when he says couple of laps before pitting that there's some pace in the softs, he pushes couple of laps and pits it's a proof that: 1 he could have done even longer stint without losing pace 2. final stint of 30ish laps on softs without problems. Does not make sense.
Also when Hamilton says "I can’t imagine these tyres lasting another 20 laps." he is talking about his MEDIUM tires that were only 11 laps old. What that means is that the medium tires were SOOOO SLOW that they felt like they had gone off the cliff while they still weren't even mid-way. Medium tire was a HUGE mistake for Hamilton, more so because he had FRESH soft tires from not using them in Qualifying. Seriously why are we still talking about this obvious thing?
Pretty much everyone who has the deduction skills to look at lap times, stint lengths, and can do basic math could see that even part way through the race the softs where the tire to be on.iotar__ wrote: 1. What "most people"? Speak for yourself, many ideas were discussed, like long stint on softs
And in general this strategy has shown to be crap! Secondly, the team puts way to much emphasis on "controlling" the race, instead of actually racing. But then what do you expect when you have a timid engineer and a wanabe racer running the team. One is to timid to lead, and the other seems to be trying to impose his will on the drivers to show that he is in charge.iotar__ wrote: 2. That's not possible scenario at all: as was repeated about 10 times this idea does not make sense because Merc tends to separate drivers: two fixed strategies
What does this vague "the softs were the tire to be on" mean? No, not on 31 laps stint Hamilton was on they were not, (most likely, with risks and little reward etc.), based on arguments presented dozen of times.dans79 wrote:Pretty much everyone who has the deduction skills to look at lap times, stint lengths, and can do basic math could see that even part way through the race the softs where the tire to be on.iotar__ wrote: 1. What "most people"? Speak for yourself, many ideas were discussed, like long stint on softs
. If something like that happens it's time to finish it. The strategy to be on was Inter,soft soft, soft. If you can't figure that out from the plethora of data available, then i feel sorry for you.iotar__ wrote: What does this vague "the softs were the tire to be on" mean? No, not on 31 laps stint Hamilton was on they were not, (most likely, with risks and little reward etc.), based on arguments presented dozen of times.
Not if its somebody else's foot.Shrieker wrote:It's like shooting yourself in the foot.
Not that easy I´m afraid...Shrieker wrote:Inter, soft, soft, soft was best. It won the race. Inter soft, soft was second best, it took Alonso to second. Inter soft, medium was the worst strategy, and Hamilton wouldn't have managed a podium with it if he wasn't ruthless on the last lap.
Do you know how many laps they did on each compound on free practice, and how much rubber there was on each tyre after each stint? You´re assuming mediums didn´t last more, but I´m not sure if you have enough data to make that assumption. They could have done 20 laps on each compound, but softs finishing with no rubber at all, while mediums finishig with 20-30% rubber left.Shrieker wrote:I still do not understand why they put Hamilton on mediums. At no point in the weekend it surpassed softs in longevity. And were 1 to 1.5 seconds slower... It's like shooting yourself in the foot.
Hindsight is strong with this one. True nonetheless.enigmatic enthusiast wrote:Mercedes putting Hamilton on the Mediums was wrong any way you cut it. Doing so allowed Alonso to drive to a target lap capable of bring his softs to the end while the Medium shodded AMG Hybrid was always going to have to defend from Riccardio and Rosberg. Hamilton would had won if those two weren't part of the strategy so in that light it looks like Mercedes was just viewing Ham's race vs Alonso in a bubble.
Mercedes splitting the tire strategy between the two cars really makes sense if the two are only fighting each other. However they stuck with the normal strategy and put Rosberg on the soft tires as he was the lead car on lap 32. Hamilton pitted lap 39 having passed verge and vettel (due to spin) in a little over a lap; he came out ahead of Rosberg and should have been viewed as the lead car and put of the SOFT tires as well.
On soft tires Hamilton would have caught Alonso in ~5 laps where that Ferrari chassis wouldn't stand a chance in the DRS zone against the Merc chassis on fresh tires. Keep in mind that Alonso (while trying to make his tires last I remind you) was catching Riccardio rapidly at the end of his next-to-last stint and was only 12 second behind when the Red Bull pitted on lap 55. Give lewis those 10 laps after passing Alonso and he could have been within a few seconds of Riccardio as he followed him into the pit lane. Riccardio came out 10 seconds infront of Bottas and 5 seconds behind Alonso. Those conditions would have been ripe for Lewis to attack with 15 laps to go.
Yeah but if you think about it. If this was a normal race with a Merc 1 and 2, which ever driver was put onto the mediums strategy would have being a total unfair sitting duck to the driver given then two soft strategy.enigmatic enthusiast wrote: Mercedes splitting the tire strategy between the two cars really makes sense if the two are only fighting each other.
