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[Juzh]

I've not done one of these in a while. Here is SQ3 lap from Verstappen

https://streamable.com/a9z2kl

[Seanspeed]

The thing with ghost vidoes is which subject is the static reference. Objects moving around will always seem buzzy and darting.
Onboards of both are a better reference.
Saying that to say, the Ferrari front end isn't as strong as it appears from a ghost video.
I understand the need to downplay whichever car also, but let's see what happens!

I expected a better excuse than 'ghost videos dont show the correct thing, onboards do'. We get a like for like comparison, and it's plain as daylight that the ferrari is rotating better than the redbull (except T14, which was one driver being 'correct' and the other risking it all with a maverick move).

Look at the much talked about T1-2-3 : HAM didn't hug the inside of the curve when T1 starts, went wide, did a 'V' (because his car can rotate well) into T2 and emerged slightly ahead in T3 ; while the redbull understeered and then snap oversteered, and the driver had to 'catch' the car. Same can be observed (how the Ferrari rotates better) for the T11-12-13 increasing radius corner. HAM does the 'V' while VER has to settle for the 'U', because the Redbull understeers.

I dont know, it all looks entirely driver error to me.



In T8, Max simply turns-in too early and tries to carry too much speed, which leads to the car washing out(understeer). Lewis stays a bit wider and takes a slower initial approach, which leads to him being able to stay on the ideal line better, getting on the power earlier and lining himself up better for T9.

It's pretty much the same exact story in T11-13. Max carries too much speed through T12, which leads to the car washing out and it punishes him for the exit/T13. Lewis is slower through T12 and that is why he avoids the same understeer.

None of this looks to be because of the car. Max was just trying to take too big of a bite during the entry period. Certainly not a bad lap, but little details like this are exactly the sort of things that make the difference.

[AR3-GP]

Well that's the reality of the situation. The RB21 is months behind in development compared to the others. Showing up with a warmed over RB20 was always going to have consequences. Max keeps saying it, but people are ignoring it. Red Bull do not have a fast car. This car has no business anywhere near a front row or a podium. They need a b-spec of the magnitude Mclaren's package from Miami last year. The problem is not the balance. The problem is they lack overall downforce/pace. He's using the tire a lot more than the others to run at the same pace.

[Hoffman900]

The thing with ghost vidoes is which subject is the static reference. Objects moving around will always seem buzzy and darting.
Onboards of both are a better reference.
Saying that to say, the Ferrari front end isn't as strong as it appears from a ghost video.
I understand the need to downplay whichever car also, but let's see what happens!

I expected a better excuse than 'ghost videos dont show the correct thing, onboards do'. We get a like for like comparison, and it's plain as daylight that the ferrari is rotating better than the redbull (except T14, which was one driver being 'correct' and the other risking it all with a maverick move).

Look at the much talked about T1-2-3 : HAM didn't hug the inside of the curve when T1 starts, went wide, did a 'V' (because his car can rotate well) into T2 and emerged slightly ahead in T3 ; while the redbull understeered and then snap oversteered, and the driver had to 'catch' the car. Same can be observed (how the Ferrari rotates better) for the T11-12-13 increasing radius corner. HAM does the 'V' while VER has to settle for the 'U', because the Redbull understeers.

I dont know, it all looks entirely driver error to me.



In T8, Max simply turns-in too early and tries to carry too much speed, which leads to the car washing out(understeer). Lewis stays a bit wider and takes a slower initial approach, which leads to him being able to stay on the ideal line better, getting on the power earlier and lining himself up better for T9.

It's pretty much the same exact story in T11-13. Max carries too much speed through T12, which leads to the car washing out and it punishes him for the exit/T13. Lewis is slower through T12 and that is why he avoids the same understeer.

None of this looks to be because of the car. Max was just trying to take too big of a bite during the entry period. Certainly not a bad lap, but little details like this are exactly the sort of things that make the difference.

The problem is assuming both cars can do the same thing and hold the same line.

If these were spec cars, I’d agree, but how cars rotate, etc. all differ in F1 and you’ll end up with different lines.

[ispano6]

Typical Lawson overstepping boundaries and making contact with multiple drivers. It looked like he damaged a Sauber's floor and wouldn't be surprising if he's caught the attention of the stewards.

[ringo]

Typical Lawson overstepping boundaries and making contact with multiple drivers. It looked like he damaged a Sauber's floor and wouldn't be surprising if he's caught the attention of the stewards.

He was super aggressive and sloppy. The best rookies who look like pros are Antonelli, Hadjar and Bortoletto. Lawson ironically has more experience but is the worst. Even Doohan looks handy. He outqualified Gasly, an ex redbull guy.
I do wonder if the Redbull environment is the problem and not the difficulty of the car. The new driver doesnt seem to be getting the support to setup the car.

[FNTC]

I think Lawson was a bit lucky to get away with that dive bomb on Doohan, both in not getting damage, and no penalty.

[Bill]

Well that's the reality of the situation. The RB21 is months behind in development compared to the others. Showing up with a warmed over RB20 was always going to have consequences. Max keeps saying it, but people are ignoring it. Red Bull do not have a fast car. This car has no business anywhere near a front row or a podium. They need a b-spec of the magnitude Mclaren's package from Miami last year. The problem is not the balance. The problem is they lack overall downforce/pace. He's using the tire a lot more than the others to run at the same pace.

Ok but they are the team that brought the most update.i think the resurgence of Lewis is spooking people.

[f1Follower]

Typical Lawson overstepping boundaries and making contact with multiple drivers. It looked like he damaged a Sauber's floor and wouldn't be surprising if he's caught the attention of the stewards.

He was super aggressive and sloppy. The best rookies who look like pros are Antonelli, Hadjar and Bortoletto. Lawson ironically has more experience but is the worst. Even Doohan looks handy. He outqualified Gasly, an ex redbull guy.
I do wonder if the Redbull environment is the problem and not the difficulty of the car. The new driver doesnt seem to be getting the support to setup the car.

He is under too much pressure as he was chosen above Tsunuda to perform well. Someone in the team needs to calm him down first and talk to him regarding his position.

[venkyhere]

I think Lawson was a bit lucky to get away with that dive bomb on Doohan, both in not getting damage, and no penalty.

Honestly, with a car that eats its tyres, the small progress that he made from P19 to P14 over 19 laps, is a small step in the right direction. And showed aggression. Elbows out muscling down the inside of a hairpin - whats wrong with that ?

[FNTC]

Looked a bit desperate to me, he was far back before the braking zone, and could have easily ended in a DNF or penalty.

[Cs98]

Just a straight deg race, and it seems RB had the worst with McLaren in the middle and Ferrari out in front. Part of it is the track, but it's now two races where front deg has killed the tyre so not a great sign.

[Juzh]

Waiting for Lawson excuses.

[Raleigh]

Lawson is cooked.

[Vettel165]

They did something now in s1, as the car looked better in the slow speed with better grip then in sprint qualy. Max had purple sector 1, maybe they put more downforce on the car. Starting p4 right behind Lando, I take that. Also he gained 5 points on him in the sprint race. We will see. A priority should be to fix the race pace and tyre-deg, even if sometimes we start a little bit behind. On most circuits qualy speed doesnt matter, because you can overtake. Race pace is the key.