2022 Monaco Grand Prix - Monte Carlo, May 27 - 29

[ispano6]

Have to add Mercedes are king of trying to counsel Hamilton. He asked how far are the leaders ahead and they euphemistically reply they are 30sec behind! In all seriousness Alonso defended HIS position and Lewis had no opportunity to exploit track limits. Hamilton quickly learned he wasn't getting by an Alpine that easily and got pretty lucky with the red flag to repair his front wing.

[214270]

that's not true. max move was crucial to get the position from leclerc that was right there. It's not a matter of 20 cm: those 20 cm allowed you to go on full gas 5 m before.

That is not true - it is clear visible that Leclerc was too far away, anyway. I would say - when you (Ferrari) f**k up strategy/performance then you start to look for 20cm excuses...

It absolutely is true. Source: Max Verstappen

“ Verstappen said that the wild moment exiting the pits was the result of him being super aggressive with his acceleration, which he reckoned was crucial to staying ahead of Leclerc who was right behind him.

"I needed it," he said about pushing so hard immediately out of the pits.

"Otherwise he would have passed me, because I would not have the traction. My pit exit, that was probably the most fun I had in the race trying to stay ahead."

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ferr ... /10313458/

Grassed on himself, lol

[motobaleno]

Binotto's word. this thing of rule calrifications in Turkey 2020 has some importance I would say. It has been done explicitly to solve the ambiguity crossed/touched so after tha GP it should not be any doubt: if you touch you are braching the rules

As Ferrari we are disappointed because we think there was clear breach of regulations on the two Red Bulls for going on the yellow line exiting the pits," he told Sky.

"I think it was not close. He was on the line and if you look at the sporting code, the wording says crossing.

"Then we had a clarification at Turkey in 2020 to avoid any discussions and, if you look at the race driver notes, it says staying to the right: so staying on the line is breaching the race director notes.

[Tvetovnato]

Neither Checo nor Max gain anything by crossing this 20cm of a line. Takin into consideration slipperies of track I don't see reason to punish...

Except that Max himself said that he had to push that hard or he would be passed by Leclerc. Clear regulation breach.

[GrizzleBoy]

Crossing the lines coming out of the pits has always been punished - it happened to Schumacher many times and I remember a particular French Grand Prix at magny cours where multiple people did it in the same race (and all were given penalties). It’s not petty, it’s the rules and in this case, Max even said he needed to accelerate hard, causing the slide, in order to stay ahead - ie he caused it by doing something to gain a competitive advantage when his opponent had stayed within the line. That’s the exact definition of why rules need to be enforced as otherwise it’s an unequal playing field.

What’s very odd is that this didn’t get ruled on sooner - they even had a red flag period to figure it out. One way of the other, they should have ruled on it and come to a decision and then we’d all have known where we stood for the remainder of the race. It now *feels* bad - especially if Perez gets his win taken away - because it’s happening retrospectively, even if it might be simply enforcing the rules that everyone knew and agreed to going in.

Yeah well the FIA don't exactly have any track record of admitting fault or retrospectively correcting their errors so I can't imagine anyone at red bull holding their breath.

Between no penalties for both Williams drivers ignoring blue flags and blocking both Ferraris extensively on their outlaps that led to the red Bulls overtaking, and now no penalties for crossing pit exit lines, plus the farce at the start, plus the late red flag after the Schumi crash.

They're not looking very competent.

[Neuron]

that's not true. max move was crucial to get the position from leclerc that was right there. It's not a matter of 20 cm: those 20 cm allowed you to go on full gas 5 m before.

That is not true - it is clear visible that Leclerc was too far away, anyway. I would say - when you (Ferrari) f**k up strategy/performance then you start to look for 20cm excuses...

It absolutely is true. Source: Max Verstappen

“ Verstappen said that the wild moment exiting the pits was the result of him being super aggressive with his acceleration, which he reckoned was crucial to staying ahead of Leclerc who was right behind him.

"I needed it," he said about pushing so hard immediately out of the pits.

"Otherwise he would have passed me, because I would not have the traction. My pit exit, that was probably the most fun I had in the race trying to stay ahead."

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ferr ... /10313458/

Of course it is true that he needed to be aggresive on throttle etc. I agree. But it was not crucial to cross this 20cm of a line - if he would stay on the right side of the line he will be still enough ahead to defend his position - in this fast left to right corner is no place to attack.

[PlatinumZealot]

What were they defending? Thin air?

All that happened is Alonso shafted Ocon. He didn't have to hold the field up for half the race.

Nonsense, they kept Lewis in check and prevented the rest of the field from getting in front of Alonso! Ocon shouldn't have gotten a penalty for Lewis' aggression, of course. And it seemed Alonso just couldn't get his tires switched on but after he did he pulled a gap, unless Lewis resigned to just holding position for the rest of the race.

So keeping Lewis in check has anything to do with Alpines objectives? Lol.

Lewis could not pass anyway. If Alonso was further up he might have had a chance at stealing a position off Norris and Ocon might have ran long to overcut Lewis. They botched it!

[Tvetovnato]

I think this pit exit line crossing was all about letting them race though. It’s all about letting them race.

[bluechris]

I think this pit exit line crossing was all about letting them race though. It’s all about letting them race.

Its becoming a norm lately that the let them race benefits only RB i suppose.

[Big Tea]

I think this pit exit line crossing was all about letting them race though. It’s all about letting them race.

But who decides then which rules to ignore and which to enforce? If all are enforced there can be no doubts. can there?

[Fer.Fan]

I think this pit exit line crossing was all about letting them race though. It’s all about letting them race.

Its becoming a norm lately that the let them race benefits only RB i suppose.

I agree!! Let them race is rule only for RB. The rule is Michael Masi rule, invented at Abu Dabi…

Both RB ware over the line at pit exit, Ferrari are right to protest…

[ispano6]

What were they defending? Thin air?

All that happened is Alonso shafted Ocon. He didn't have to hold the field up for half the race.

Nonsense, they kept Lewis in check and prevented the rest of the field from getting in front of Alonso! Ocon shouldn't have gotten a penalty for Lewis' aggression, of course. And it seemed Alonso just couldn't get his tires switched on but after he did he pulled a gap, unless Lewis resigned to just holding position for the rest of the race.

So keeping Lewis in check has anything to do with Alpines objectives? Lol.

Lewis could not pass anyway. If Alonso was further up he might have had a chance at stealing a position off Norris and Ocon might have ran long to overcut Lewis. They botched it!

Alonso said he was saving his tyres, he has every right to do that. Sure he sped up for Ocon but that wasn't going to get rid of the penalty. Alonso successfully finished 7th which is the highest he was going to finish. If Ham slowed to force Ocon to fall out of the points good for him, I'm sure he got satisfaction for that.
Meanwhile Russell actually gained a position and finished in the top 5 again.

[Tvetovnato]

I think this pit exit line crossing was all about letting them race though. It’s all about letting them race.

But who decides then which rules to ignore and which to enforce? If all are enforced there can be no doubts. can there?

I was being a bit sarcastic there. It’s mind boggling that they let these obvious offences slide. But I expect them to find some clever twisting of the wordings of the regulations to get them out of it, such as ”it doesn’t say the pit exit line in Monaco specifically”, or something.

[KeiKo403]

I can’t believe that the FIA want more money from F1 when this is the poor service they provide

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