2025 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[Juzh]

Mid result, it'll be hard to make progress tomorrow. Probably will have to look in the mirror a lot.

[Juzh]

They did something now in s1, as the car looked better in the slow speed with better grip then in sprint qualy. Max had purple sector 1, maybe they put more downforce on the car. Starting p4 right behind Lando, I take that. Also he gained 5 points on him in the sprint race. We will see.

Yeah purple S1 surprised me, but it was a one off on the last lap. Overall consistency is still in mclaren's court. With a perfect lap Max could have been P3, but not higher.

[Vettel165]

So, Shanghai really tests the car with a range of different cornering speeds. On top of that, there are many corners that push the front tyres harder than the rear tyres; this is known as a front-limited circuit. You’ve got the very long sequence of Turns 1 and 2, and then the high-speed Turns 7 and 8, and the long Turns 12 and 13 that lead onto the back straight.

“A driver that uses their front tyres hard, and a car that uses its front tyres hard, will really suffer here.

“A case in point is Mercedes in 2012. It had a car that just ate up the rear tyres. Then it went to Shanghai, this track with a massive front limitation, and won the race - its first win since it returned to F1. The team didn’t win another race for the rest of the 2012 season.

“That’s why Shanghai is such a stand-out circuit.”

[Rikhart]

Lulson. It's not looking good, is it.

[AR3-GP]

Damage limitation weekend. He scored 5 more points than Norris in the sprint race so the damage from the weekend will be limited compared to what it could have been. He will lose points tomorrow to Norris. This on what is one of Mclaren's best circuits and one of Red Bull's worst.

I think Red Bull could be relatively more competitive in Japan, Saudi, and Bahrain as those have been more favorable to Red Bull historically. Saudi Arabia also has naturally low tire deg and will suit the top speed of the car. If Max can finish P3-P4 in the next few rounds, and they actually make a decent step by Miami, then they could salvage the season. However if things continue with the current car, they should pack up and put resources to 2026.

[Vettel165]

Yeah I will wait until Spain, and after that if we are still behind I will just relax and enjoy every race even if WDC is not possible anymore. But we will see, need to find 0.2-0.3s at least in terms of race pace.

[pantherxxx]

Marko said that in 3 or 5 races at max a big update is coming to the car, which will significantly improve tire wear. Until then it's damage limitation.

[the EDGE]

Even Max is having a dig at Lawson… A bit naughty.

[f1isgood]

Marko said that in 3 or 5 races at max a big update is coming to the car, which will significantly improve tire wear. Until then it's damage limitation.

Trusting RB's upgrades is usually not a good thing.

[f1isgood]

Well that's the reality of the situation. The RB21 is months behind in development compared to the others. Showing up with a warmed over RB20 was always going to have consequences. Max keeps saying it, but people are ignoring it. Red Bull do not have a fast car. This car has no business anywhere near a front row or a podium. They need a b-spec of the magnitude Mclaren's package from Miami last year. The problem is not the balance. The problem is they lack overall downforce/pace. He's using the tire a lot more than the others to run at the same pace.

Spot on.

[Jurgen von Diaz]

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Horner is saying that the car is sharp, which causes a loose rear end. This has been the case with all the number two drivers. The car is just not suitable for untalented drivers.

[SirBastianVettel]

Even Max is having a dig at Lawson… A bit naughty.

Sadly this video is not available for the geographically challenged. What did Max say?

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Even Max is having a dig at Lawson… A bit naughty.

Sadly this video is not available for the geographically challenged. What did Max say?

Q: Are you surprised about the performance of Racing Bulls?

V: I mean, they are doing very well. They are very close to me. Maybe that also says something... but yeah. I don't know.

So honestly no idea if this is directed at Lawson at all. Could also be about the car.

[venkyhere]

They did something now in s1, as the car looked better in the slow speed with better grip then in sprint qualy. Max had purple sector 1, maybe they put more downforce on the car. Starting p4 right behind Lando, I take that. Also he gained 5 points on him in the sprint race. We will see. A priority should be to fix the race pace and tyre-deg, even if sometimes we start a little bit behind. On most circuits qualy speed doesnt matter, because you can overtake. Race pace is the key.

100% sure they added downforce.
IIRC, SQ3 and Q3 almost similar time (diff only less than 0.5 tenths) - Q3 showed 3 tenths gained in S1, 0.5 tenths gained in S2 & 3.5 tenths lost in S3 ; over the SQ3 sector times.

That means straightline speed has been sacrificed for more lateral grip and better tyre life. Right call, I would say. That said, throwing away top speed in the two DRS zones is a risk, can get stuck behind someone, can get easily passed. But it's better than eating up tyres and risking getting passed by midfielders.

RB21 is simply not good enough - base performance is poorer than the 'big three'.

[Vettel165]

If you look at the difference between the two drivers at the other teams, they are all closer together," said Verstappen. "It also shows that our car is extremely difficult. I think that when you put Liam in the Racing Bulls car, he will go faster. I really think so. That car is easier to drive than ours. I notice that when I talk to Liam. Last year the difference between him and Yuki Tsunoda was not that big, I thought. Otherwise the team would not have made the choice to put him in at Red Bull.
As a driver I always have to look at myself first and I am always critical. I try to maximize and help the team to improve the car. It is clear that we are not where we want to be. I actually feel good in the car so far, comfortable. And I am confident that I choose the right moments to push, without making mistakes. But we are just too slow. Are we the fourth team at the moment? That is how it feels to me.
The differences in qualifying with the top were quite small, but that doesn't feel very realistic to me. We did change some things on the car today and hopefully that will help a bit. But I don't expect it to be a difference of night and day. That we can suddenly keep up with McLaren. It will be difficult. The gap (with the best car, ed.) is bigger than last year. It is clear that we are not in a good position. Am I worried? Yes. I should be, right?