Technical Regulations for 2009-2015

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The problem is simple, wake turbulence from the car in front.
As long as aerodynamics continues to dominate F1 there will be no answer.

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autogyro wrote:The problem is simple, wake turbulence from the car in front.
As long as aerodynamics continues to dominate F1 there will be no answer.
And as long as the cars are running at the speeds they currently do, with the amount of power they currently have, aerodynamics will always been dominant.

The only way to stop aero being as important is to slow the cars right down power-wise.
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Ban diffusers :wink:
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As ive said before, what id like to see is this:

* Strengthened car centreline regulations meaning that cars noses actually have a decent size of hole to punch thrugh for the diffuser. Also include a standardised slope and starter hole as well.

* Standardised sidepod inlets for cooling purposes, engnes are overheating following other cars after only 2 or 3 laps, lets get something that allows cars to follow within a few tenths of the car infront.

*Rear wings need to be made wider, but shallower with a standardised chord section. Simmilar to ALMS in effect would be my ideal. Reduce downforce, but also posibly increase drag with them, if that can be done???

* Front wings need to be cleaner, take away those damnd cascade wings. Allow unlimited Front Flap Adjustments, but also allow theese to be integrated with Engine Map changes via the multimap wheel on a steering wheel.

* Fuel tanks need to be standardised with a limit car limit going into each race of 750KG including driver, and a limit of 620KG at the end of the race.

* The areas that arnt mentioned are free for all to interpret, but as long as the car fits into a series of boxes with NO 5mm marjin of error, or a reduced error marjin that is 2mm, that there currently is.

* Engines need to be used concurrently, so no changing in and out for Free Practice for one thats been previously used. Thus testing relyability credentials. Also in the short term, whilst KERS isnt getting used, allow for one 10 second burst every lap where the RPM is allowed to be un-regulated.

* Gerarboxes need to go onto a rule simmilar to the current engine rule, allow switching, but only 2 boxes per driver per weekend. Id suggest a maximum of 6 boxes per season. Also allow gearboxes to be "track style" specific for the gear 1 to 7 ratios, theese once in the gear box, cannot be changed. However allow the final drive to be able to be changed once on each gearbox.

* Suspension should be free for all for all passive ride devices.

* F-Ducts et-al shall be banned.

* After round 5 (Or round before Monaco, basically after the first race in Europe) all teams in the top 6 shall have their cars homologated for the rest of the season. The rest of the teams will have their cars design homologated after round 12 (round before Spa) for the rest of the field. Thus allowing teams to come from the back of the field and "interfere" with chapionships.

* Tyre rims to be increased to 15 or 18 inches, what ever is suitable to have a multiple tyre manufacturer participation in the sport. With each manufacturer supplying 2 control compounds per season, where each driver gets 5 sets of softs and 4 sets of hards every GP. Every manufacturer will supply every driver with 5 sets of inters and wets per GP. The cost for every team per season should be no more than $4 million.

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So you basically want a spec series?
A large part of the problem is the diffuser and the fact that the FIA rules design the cars..How about we tell them how heavy, how wide, how big an engine and very little else?
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Simply regulate a set level of DF and find a way to measure and enforce it.

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autogyro wrote:Simply regulate a set level of DF and find a way to measure and enforce it.
agree with this one. Set a DF limit and see how the teams reach these levels, give alot more freedom in designing etc. would see alot more different cars etc.
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Simply regulate a set level of DF and find a way to measure and enforce it.
And just how do you intend to measure and requlate downforce on the track?
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ESPImperium wrote:
* Standardised sidepod inlets for cooling purposes, engnes are overheating following other cars after only 2 or 3 laps, lets get something that allows cars to follow within a few tenths of the car infront.
Not all engines are overheating after 2 or 3 laps. Red engines are. Most others seem to have less of a problem. So the red engines need to be sorted out or they need the have bigger inlets. That's the red team's choice, really.
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strad wrote:And just how do you intend to measure and requlate downforce on the track?
Maybe rules limiting the hardness of suspension and maybe the ride height could be a simple method to keep certain downforce levels? Too much downforce would cause destroying of the plank.

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maybe the ride height could be a simple method to keep certain downforce levels? Too much downforce would cause destroying of the plank.
Nope, could be offset by stiff suspension settings.
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strad wrote:
Simply regulate a set level of DF and find a way to measure and enforce it.
And just how do you intend to measure and requlate downforce on the track?
Perhaps you and others would like to attempt an answer?

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Just_a_fan wrote:
ESPImperium wrote:
* Standardised sidepod inlets for cooling purposes, engnes are overheating following other cars after only 2 or 3 laps, lets get something that allows cars to follow within a few tenths of the car infront.
Not all engines are overheating after 2 or 3 laps. Red engines are. Most others seem to have less of a problem. So the red engines need to be sorted out or they need the have bigger inlets. That's the red team's choice, really.
That is true.

What im basically trying to say in my post above is that anything inside the red boxes in the following pics should be standardised and heavily restricted, anything outdide is a free for all. With a new rear wing thats more like a ALMS rear wing, but a bit deeper (Shallower if you look at a F1 wing) and steeper that cannot be adjusted as its a standardised chord in the red boxed area.

My rules mean you can bring back all those little flip ups and wings that were infront of the rear wheels and the shark gills for cooling. Also underfloor aero is allowed, but as long as it dosnt go lower than where the plank goes to. And is also isnt in the red centre box i have put in the pics.

Im using the 2009 Renault R29 and Toyota TF109 for the pics as they were the best i could find, as the 2010 car pics were poor for what im trying to illustrate.

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strad wrote:Nope, could be offset by stiff suspension settings.
And that's what I said. To limit the hardness of suspension and make it softer than it is now.

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strad wrote:
Simply regulate a set level of DF and find a way to measure and enforce it.
And just how do you intend to measure and requlate downforce on the track?
Really easy. Just measure vertical force at each wheel and add up. Substract weight of the car which is known to almost one kN. Take reading of accelerometer in vertical direction and make correction and voila, you arrive at aerodynamic downforce. It is child's play for the modern ECU.

Regulation is just as easy. Integrate any excess downforce and set thresholds at which drivers must make pit stop to adjust wings for lower downforce. Alternatively make wings driver adjustable.
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